Ep. 3: Russian Mountain High, Dyatlov

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Hey Crystal, how are you doing?

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I'm doing well.
How are you?

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And fair to Midland, thank you
very much for asking.

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I've caught the dread summer
cold and I believe my charming

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son gave it to me and that I
have not appreciated very much.

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It was really, It really knocked
me down, man.

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I don't believe you.
As you may recall, I had a

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pretty bad cold a couple weeks
ago that definitely knocked me

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down.
Took my voice.

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Took your voice.
I've just become froggy and I'm

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sounding better today.
The thing that's crazy is my

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partner Max, who believes in
nutrition, as long as it's

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primarily made of sugar, said,
well, my fault.

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My problem is he and our
granddaughter have not gotten

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sick.
And he said the problem is you

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don't need enough sugar.
So I'm sure, I'm sure that's

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medically supported.
Yeah.

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Hey, he's, he's sick way less
than I am.

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I'm starting to think he might
have something going there.

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We'll have to look into it in
one of our podcast episodes.

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Definitely sugar versus health.
That's right.

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Well my feeling is I work to
keep myself healthy and if I

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didn't, all these things that I
have had, sheesh, would have

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killed me.
Definitely first world problems

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we're suffering from here.
Definitely.

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Sheesh, sheesh.
Well, hey, so what's our topic

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for today?
I'm really.

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Excited to share this topic.
I'm curious to know if you've

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heard of it.
I may pronounce a lot of things

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wrong because it happened in, Oh
my gosh, I want to say Russia,

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and now I'm scared that might
not be true in the Northern

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Urals.
I may pronounce some things

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wrong.
Well, since my pronunciation is

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always amazing, we'll do the
best we can.

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I'm going to do the Diaotab pass
incident, have you heard of

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that?
I don't believe I have.

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I'll go to my sources.
Dead Mountain by Donnie Eicher,

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The Diaotab Foundation, Russian
Case Files, National Geographic,

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BBC News, and the New York Times
Today's mystery takes us deep

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into the snowy wilderness of
Soviet Russia in 1959.

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I thought it was Russia where 9
experienced hikers set out on an

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expedition into the Ural
mountains and never returned

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alive.
You know, there's people to go

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on these expeditions and they
climb up Everest and they all

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keel over.
I am not at all interested.

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Thank you.
Very much.

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I'm not interested either, but
this one is nothing like that,

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so Yup.
So it's the Diatol Pass

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incident.
A Cold War enigma, frostbitten

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footprints, baffling injuries,
missing eyes and a tent shredded

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from the inside out.
Missing eyes.

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Buckle up.
So let's begin by meeting the

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group.
There were nine students and

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graduates from the Ural Ural.
I don't know how to pronounce

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that.
I'm so sorry.

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Ural Polytechnic Institute in
Spurred Levusk now Yekken

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Terenberg, all whom were
passionate about mountaineering.

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The leader was a man named Igor
Dyatlov.

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He was 23 years old.
He was an engineering student

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and an experienced trekker.
He was known for his discipline,

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intelligence and calm
leadership.

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He had already completed
difficult expeditions and was

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developing a radio device in his
spare time.

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Friends considered him quiet,
responsible and a natural

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leader.
The team that went with him

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there was This is where it's
going to get pretty hairy on the

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pronunciation, so my apologies
again.

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Zanada Komengorova, 22 Outgoing
and cheerful, she had completed

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numerous hikes and once fought
off a thief with a ski pole.

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The Edmila Dubenina, strong
willed and principled,

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previously sustained A gunshot
wound on a hike and still

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completed the trek.
Yuri Doroshenko Oh, did I say

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Ludmilla was 20?
I don't think I did.

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So no.
But wait back up.

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It was on this trek that she got
a gunshot.

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Just these are just their like
this is just an introduction to

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who they are and how they're
cool with hiking.

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Oh, so like their biographies?
Yeah, yeah.

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They're biographies, Yeah.
Gotcha.

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Yeah, so Zenaida was 22,
Ludmilla was 20.

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Yuri Doroshenko was 21.
Yuri once chased a bear with a

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geologist hammer on a previous
expedition.

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He was brash but brave.
There was Rustom Slobodan, 23, a

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runner and hiker, calm and
methodical, and from an educated

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family.
Alexander Kolavetov, 24,

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studying nuclear physics.
Quiet and enigmatic, with a K GB

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adjacent background.
Nikolai Tebow Brignolis, 23, a

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half French of noble lineage.
Gregarious, smart and athletic.

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1/2 French.
I didn't mean to say it like

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that, that sounds awful.
He was half French from noble

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lineage.
My apologies, I'm going to stop

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apologizing.
Yuri Krivanishenko, 24 Nicknamed

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Georgie, he was a construction
engineer who worked at the

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Kaixin nuclear disaster cleanup.
Semyon Zolotariov 38, The oldest

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and the most mysterious.
He was a World War 2 veteran who

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joined last minute.
He was tattooed, secretive, and

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physically robust. 1 Member Yuri
Yudin turned back early due to

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sciatica.
He would later say it saved his

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life and haunted him for the
rest of his life.

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For the rest of his life, yeah.
Did you mention when this

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occurred?
1959.

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Oh, I was going to say because
the World War Two, wait one

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which?
Two World War Two, World War 2

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and then 46.
OK, I wasn't sure how how long

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ago this was my group.
'S goal was to earn a Grade 3

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hiking certificate, the highest
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The route would take them
through challenging terrain in

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the northern EUR, aiming for
Mount Oderton, a name that

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translates from the indigenous
Mansi language, to Don't Go

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There.
That should be enough.

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Right.
Message receipt.

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They departed by train on
January 23rd, 1959, then by

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truck and eventually on foot.
Spirits were high.

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Their diary entries and
photographs showed them joking,

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skiing, building makeshift
stoves.

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On January 31st, 8 days later,
they cashed supplies in the

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forest for their return journey.
By February 1st, they were on

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the slope of Colat, Seattle,
Which Mansi means mountain of

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the dead.
Lots of signals that kind of

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maybe they should have paid
attention to.

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But you know, often people see
things like this as a challenge,

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right?
Like, Oh yeah.

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Sounds like foreshadowing now
though.

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Yeah, right.
Due to worsening weather and

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poor visibility, they pitched
their tent high on the slope

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rather than descending to the
shelter of the trees.

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This was their last known
action.

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So this was by February 1st.
When the group failed to send

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word by February 12th, so that's
11 days later.

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No one panicked.
At first, delays were common,

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but as days passed, families
pushed for a search. 14 more

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days later, on February 26th,
1959, rescuers went out and

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found the tent.
And what they saw sparked one of

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Russia's greatest mysteries.
Here's what they found.

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The tent was cut open from the
inside.

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There were footprints, some
barefoot, some in socks or a

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single shoe that led away into
the snow.

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At the forest edge, under a
cedar tree, lay Krivonishenko

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and Doroshenko.
Doroshenko, shoeless and in

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underwear, with burned hands.
A small fire was nearby, between

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the tree.
In the tent lay Dietlof,

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Kulmongorova and Slobodan,
appearing to have died trying to

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crawl back.
It wasn't until May that the

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remaining 4, Zola Taryov,
Dubenina Kolovatov and Tibo

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Brunolis, were found in a ravine
beneath 13 feet of snow.

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Their injuries were shocking.
Dubenina, her tongue and eyes

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were missing.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

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I laughed because I'm stressed,
not because I think it's funny.

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Zolotariov.
Massive chest trauma like in a

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car crash.
Tibow Brignolis had a crushed

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skull.
Some of the some of the hikers

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were pieces of other people's
clothing that they had possibly

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taken after death.
There were no external wounds

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and no signs of struggle.
So consider that.

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Tongue and eyes missing, no
external wounds.

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Massive chest trauma like in a
car crash, no external wounds.

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Crushed skull, no external
wounds.

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Like what?
Yeah, I'm having vague memory of

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hearing the story before, but so
so as as you're saying it, that

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means he had a a he or she, the
individual had a crushed skull

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from it wasn't obvious from the
outside, but it was this on

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autopsy or something?
I imagine it was on autopsy.

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Yeah, just wasn't there.
Yeah, It wasn't obvious from the

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outside.
It had to have been from

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autopsy.
Yeah, 'cause I mean, there's no

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crushed skull I've ever seen
that didn't have some sort of

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sign.
Right.

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It's crazy.
Crazy.

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The official cause, a compelling
natural force.

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That was it.
Case closed.

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Case closed.
I Yeah, sure, that explains

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everything for heaven's sakes.
Let's dive into the most widely

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discussed explanations, the
official theory.

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So there's the official cause
and then there's an official

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theory.
I don't know what differentiates

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the who's who the officials are
that are declaring these

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official, but I imagine probably
the Russian government is the

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official cause declarer.
I don't know about the theory.

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And that's always been very
open.

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Right.
So the official theory is that

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it was an avalanche.
So they assumed that a sudden

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avalanche scared the hikers.
They slashed the tent to escape

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and disoriented in the dark,
they succumbed to the cold or

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fell into the ravine.
However, there are some problems

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with that.
No avalanche debris was found.

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The slope was not steep enough
for them to fall in

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disorientation.
The tent was intact and upright,

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so if it had an avalanche come,
it would have smashed the hell

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out of the tent, Right?
And Dial Dialogue's team were

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seasoned hikers.
They wouldn't panic over minor

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snow slides or possibly even
major snow slides, but in this

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case it couldn't have been a
major snow slide because there

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was no evidence of that, right?
Additionally, those injuries,

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the chest injury and the head
injury would still show external

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'cause if they've been crushed
by snow even.

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I mean, The only exception I
guess could be if the pressure

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got so intense so slowly that it
broke things really slowly and

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then maybe that wouldn't show a
big external injury, but still.

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I mean, I, I, this is all
theoretical and I have no

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evidence of this other than my
imagination.

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But I suppose theoretically you
could be preserved, so to speak,

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by the cold of the snow.
But it can be heavy enough that

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maybe just the pressure would
cause a skull fracture that

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wouldn't necessarily.
And not even a skull fracture

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was crushed.
So I don't know, man.

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It's.
Yeah, and also, if they were

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frozen, their blood wouldn't
come out like normal.

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So I'm thinking kind of of a
vise.

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If it goes slow, slow, slow,
slow and will cause the

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compression, but maybe maybe
slowly enough given snow

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pressure where this should have
really been snow, then it could

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perhaps fracture and crush
things without external showing.

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And again, if their blood was
frozen, they wouldn't bleed

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everywhere, but it still seems
like their skin would separate.

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But anyway, carry on.
What's the next?

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OK, next theory is infrasound
and that's a where that's a rare

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weather pattern called the
Carman vortex St. which causes

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low frequency sounds.
And infrasound can cause panic,

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nausea and hallucinations.
And this could explain why they

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may have fled in confusion, but
not the crushing injuries,

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right?
So they had some low frequency

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sounds that made them panic,
that made them hallucinate.

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Maybe you know, who knows they I
mean, but you know, you consider

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a missing eye and a missing
tongue.

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They hallucinate that happen.
Yeah, right.

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I just what?
I don't know.

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I don't know.
And I, I don't believe they

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found the eye in the tongue.
I don't quote me on that, but I

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I believe that it was just
missing.

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Is there any indication of what
elevation they were at?

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Could they have been hypoxic?
Lacking oxygen?

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I didn't see anything other than
it was, you know, don't go

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there.
Yeah, again, enough for me.

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A mountain of death.
Don't go there all righty.

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All righty on my way.
Going to lunch now.

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Yeah, I don't know the, I don't
know the elevation.

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That would be interesting too.
I mean 'cause there's a lot.

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Again, it doesn't explain
everything 'cause you can't get

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hypoxic and have crushed
everything but.

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Yeah, still OK.
The next theory is military

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testing.
The area was used for weapons

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testing.
Witnesses later reported orange

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orbs in the sky and some of the
hikers clothing showed

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radioactive traces.
You know that avalanche that's

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radioactive?
Yeah, well.

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I just saw one yesterday.
Orange orbs, huh?

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Yeah.
So could they have wandered into

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a classified test zone?
Probably not, because there were

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no blast injuries or any
military tracks.

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Again, pretty unlikely.
Next we have catabatic wind,

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which is sudden violent winds
like those in Antarctica.

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They could cause localized
collapse of snow, panic and

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freezing.
Matches some elements, but

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again, doesn't explain the
injuries.

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I mean, the injuries, the
injuries and the, the

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radioactivity are what get me
the most, right?

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Well, actually, and also the
fact that they slice their way

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out of the tent and there's just
so many.

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Obviously the reason this is a
mystery, mysterious story is

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because there's so many crazy
details there.

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There's a theory that they were
attacked by the indigenous Mansi

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people, you know, locals,
Indigenous folks would know the

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terrain.
Maybe they viewed the hikers as

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intruders.
But that one's been solidly

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rejected because there was,
again, no sign of a struggle.

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And the Nancy people helped in
the search and we're respectful

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and peaceful.
So that was that.

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One was quickly rejected.
Paradoxical undressing and

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hypothermia.
As people freeze, they may feel

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overheated and remove clothing,
which would explain the state of

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undress, but it doesn't account
for again, the tongue removal or

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the crushing injuries.
I looked I was looking this up

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on on one of the websites and it
said one of them had missing

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eyebrows.
So not the one that had missing

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eyes, no, but somebody else had
missing eyebrows.

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That makes no sense at all, no.
It does not make any sense.

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Of course they have the there.
There's always the conspiracy

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theories.
So some people theorize that it

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was a Yeti or encrypted or.
What encrypted?

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Encrypted.
Yeah, encrypted is like

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werewolves are cryptids.
The Loch Ness Monster is

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encrypted.
Bigfoot's encrypted yetis are

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cryptids.
So they're mythical creatures

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that we that are in our legends
basically.

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How do people believe that
cryptids are real?

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I don't have an opinion one way
or the other to be honest.

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This this theory was fuelled by
a satirical student newspaper

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that was titled Evening O
Torton.

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I don't know what that means,
but another theory is that they

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were there was murder or
internal conflict.

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Like I said earlier in the show,
Zolotariov was a last minute

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addition with war experience and
some suspected confrontation.

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No defensive wounds, no motives,
no evidence.

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There's nothing really to
support that theory.

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Well, and what would he have to
gain right there?

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It's.
Not even notoriety, because it

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was notoriety.
He'd he'd probably admit to it,

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right?
Like right So.

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And he, he was dead.
And he had, he had one of the

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worst injuries, no.
No, he's the one that didn't.

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That didn't.
Oh, wait, you're right.

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Sorry, sorry.
Wrong guy.

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Yeah, he he was.
He's a last minute addition.

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Udin was the one who left the
injury, I mean.

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You're Udin?
Yeah, he left the injury.

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Right.
Some of the questions that this

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raises are, of course, why were
there signs of radiation?

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Why were some corpses missing
eyes and tongues?

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What caused such localized
brutal trauma with without

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external wounds?
Oh, Diaries and cameras were

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missing pages.
I didn't include that.

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So why were these cameras and
Diaries missing pages?

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This is very strange and I mean
did no one brought up the alien

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theory?
No, actually, no one did.

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I feel like it was aliens.
So did they ever get further

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information to make any kind of
real opinion or these are just

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wild opinions like ours?
So they so they reopened the

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investigation in 2020, but then
they just closed it again and

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with the avalanche theory.
But that doesn't even make any

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sense.
No how?

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I mean, so the tongue, the
purse's tongue, did it say how

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that looked?
I mean, did it look like maybe

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the person had chomp chomped it?
Bitten it.

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I don't know the.
I don't know exactly how it

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looked well in.
Here I.

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Think there are pictures?
Oh really?

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Because in here what I'm reading
it says she was missing her

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tongue?
It doesn't even seem part she

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was missing her tongue, eyes,
part of the lip as well as

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facial tissue and a fragment of
skull bone.

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Yeah.
OK, that's bad.

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Yeah, So what I, I think a lot
of people theorize that it was

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supernatural.
There just really isn't 1

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singular explanation that that
can explain exactly what

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happened.
OK, so let's talk about this for

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a second.
Our government, the US

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government has disclosed that
they are aware of and have

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samples, I guess of, of aliens,
right?

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So we know that we're not alone
in the universe, so to speak.

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So one reasonable theory
potentially is that it was some

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sort of paranormal, otherworldly
situation where, I mean, who?

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I don't know.
See, this is where it gets

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tricky for me because like,
maybe aliens don't know how to

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interact with us.
You know, you think of you can

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think of probably some movies.
I can't think of anything

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brought off the top of my head,
but where, you know, they're

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trying to be peaceful that
things go awry, right?

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So maybe there maybe there was
an encounter and it just went

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horribly awry because they
didn't know how to interact,

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slash communicate with humans.
I don't know.

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Well, and I mean, if we were
going to go with that theory,

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there could be, well, weapons
and forces that we have no idea

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how they work that could have
caused some of this sort of

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stuff.
Wow, either.

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Way, it was a really bad day.
It was a really bad day.

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Yeah.
One of the last photos that was

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taken the day the on the on
February 1st at the final camp

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was showed the team smiling and
setting up camp.

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One of the final entries in
their diary jokes about their

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luxurious accommodations and the
wind howling outside.

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And then nothing.
Wow, sounds like a really good

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job, a really good reason not to
go hiking.

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Actually, I really like I like
hiking and things like that.

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But Gee whiz.
And I see in in the article I

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found here, it's the a view of
the tent.

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What's funny is it was cut from
the inside.

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Now if you think about it in the
50s, I don't think they had, you

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know, they didn't have the same
fancy tents that we do now.

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A lot of them were just flaps
like a military type tent.

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And this tent looked like it
could have been that.

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I wonder if it even had a
zipper.

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I don't know because.
A lot of them used to be ties

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and that's all they were.
Yeah, You know, it's funny

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because Holly talks all the time
about how the tent that we Holly

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is my sister, in case I haven't
mentioned it before that I lived

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with.
She was just mentioning that the

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tent we have now, it's literally
like squish, squish, pop and

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it's up.
Right.

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Exactly.
And we grew up with the military

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tents where it was like 7000
poles, 8000 and a just a canvas

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that kind of went over the poles
and then.

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It was.
So heavy, it was so heavy.

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And judging by the pictures from
this incident where it is only

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collapsed it and it's only it's
1959, right?

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Like that can't be a very
sophisticated tent.

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No.
But it was, it was, I mean, I

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don't know if I had zippers, but
it is.

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It does, you know, bear
remembering that they had sliced

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their way out and one thing I
read said shredded their way out

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not even sliced.
When you think of sliced you

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think like cut cut maybe, but
the the tent was shredded.

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Well, I remember, I can't
remember where I heard the story

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before.
I hadn't recognized it when you

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first said it, but when I first
heard it described, I had

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visions of like scissorhands
sort of ripping.

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And I don't see it in this
picture that it looked like

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that.
But it was also covered in snow,

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the picture I see.
And so where it would have

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collapsed later by snow, but it
was, it was what, almost a month

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later?
They went to look for them.

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You said 24 days.
Yeah, it wasn't until their

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family demanded it that they
even made any effort to to go

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to.
Find them.

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Yeah, well, well.
And, and The thing is, these

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people too were of.
Pretty.

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Significant conditioning.
I mean, it's not like you and I

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walked out there.
It it, it was people who really

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knew what they were doing.
Yeah, they were very, very

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skilled, very experienced.
And like you said, for them to

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panic doesn't make sense,
especially all at one time.

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What could they have heard that
they could have all panicked at

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the same time?
And then we think of some of our

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episode, other episodes where
they had some general hysteria,

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potentially due to waterborne
illness or something like that.

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Brings that to mind to me too.
Except for that still doesn't

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explain missing tongue.
Eyebrows, ball eyeballs.

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I mean, eyebrows, What I can see
tongue.

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Maybe somebody went insane and
thought there was something

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wrong with their tongue or their
eyeballs.

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But their eyebrows.
And their lips.

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How would that even I mean even
even lips.

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I could see if you got really
upset and.

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Started shooting on it, yeah.
Or something like that.

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And some of the injuries they
said might have been post

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mortem, but not all of that.
And there was no sign that I can

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see that had a lot of they
didn't say anything about a lot

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of animal tracks or anything
like that to explain some of the

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missing parts cause animals do
go for stuff like that.

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But it didn't mention anything
about that.

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If they were, it was that cold,
they probably would have frozen

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faster than the animals could
sense them.

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But but even still, given all of
that, if they had some sort of

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brain amoeba or something, it
would still not explain an

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internal head injuries, skull
injury that would kill someone.

456
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,000
That doesn't make any sense.
No, no one explanation gives all

457
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480
of this.
That's exactly the that's the

458
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240
quandary is that there are a lot
of there are a lot of

459
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,120
explanations that cover one set
of the facts, right Avalanche.

460
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,160
They got scared.
They cut themselves out of the

461
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920
tent, they ran, they fell,
whatever, right?

462
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200
I mean, again, that's not
necessarily supported by

463
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,480
evidence, but that's the
official story.

464
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,160
I mean, it's the thing even
about Christians, right?

465
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,440
Like there'd be footprints,
there'd be blood, for heaven's

466
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,120
sake.
I would think unless, unless we

467
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,800
like go in back into the realm
of the supernatural, super

468
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960
supernatural, because I guess
Kryptons in and of the cells can

469
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,160
be considered supernatural.
But you know, maybe maybe

470
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,360
cryptids have a have a way
bloodlessly smash a skull.

471
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,880
I don't know it's.
Just well, and, and the thing,

472
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,640
the thing too is it's in the
50s.

473
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,360
It's not like it was 1800 where
they didn't have any way to look

474
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,440
into this stuff in the 50s isn't
that long ago.

475
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,360
Well, not only that, the fact
that they reopened the

476
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,880
investigation in 2020 and then
they were like, Nope, Yup, still

477
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,720
an avalanche K bye.
A lot of experts have said that

478
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,480
that was that was a sham
investigation basically.

479
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Who did the reinvestigation?
Did it say?

480
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Russia.
Oh, well, there you go.

481
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,480
I mean, sorry, did I say that in
my outside voice?

482
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,000
Well, well, it's safe to say
that you probably cannot.

483
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,880
We as U.S.
Citizens probably cannot

484
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,120
necessarily trust the integrity
of the Russian government well.

485
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,160
They're probably saying the same
about us right now.

486
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,440
They probably do.
Oh, wait, did I say that in my

487
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,920
outside place?
One of the things, though, that

488
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,800
makes me wonder is why did they
open the investigation again in

489
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,080
20, Even if it was sort of a
sham, Did did it say why?

490
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Because what would have
motivated that?

491
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,320
I think it was just people
demanding answers and I think

492
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,400
that they were saying that, you
know, we have more technology

493
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,120
now, we just have more
information.

494
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,080
And so let's so actually people
went in part of the

495
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,920
investigation, people went out
to the to the past again.

496
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,480
And that's how part of how they
came to their conclusions.

497
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Like who were the researchers?
I don't know.

498
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Right.
Seems really suspicious to me.

499
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Looking at arstechnica.com Just
as I'm looking this up and in

500
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,520
2019, the Russian public, I'm
reading this from this

501
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,000
arstechnica.com In 2019, the
Russian Public Prosecutor's

502
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120
office resurrected the case from
its archives.

503
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600
That's when Johann Gaum, who
heads the Snow and Avalanche

504
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Simulation Laboratory at EPFL in
Switzerland, received a call

505
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,640
from a New York journalist
looking for insight into the

506
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960
mystery.
The call was the first Gam had

507
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,720
heard of the Dyatlov Pass
incident, and he's immediately

508
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960
intrigued after singing if he is
thinking and doing calculations

509
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,400
down to the journalist that he
believed.

510
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,280
The most slight explanation was
in that lunch hit while the

511
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,720
hikers were sleeping, catching
them by surprise.

512
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,680
The Russian prosecutor's office
had reached the same conclusion.

513
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Given the lack of evidence and
the various strange elements in

514
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,720
the case, Gam decided to partner
with Alexander Puzrin, a

515
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,520
geoengineering ETH Zurich, to
investigate more deeply.

516
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,760
The two men combed through the
public archives, consulted with

517
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040
other scientists, and ultimately
developed 2 distinct models to

518
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,840
reconstruct the avalanche.
They believe it occurred in

519
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120
February 1959.
There's an analytical model to

520
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
estimate the time required to
trio an avalanche avalanche,

521
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,600
while a numerical model
estimated the effect of

522
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,440
avalanches on the human body.
Gam and Prusreen published their

523
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,040
findings in January 2021 in
Communications, Earth and

524
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,240
Environment.
The duo attributed the Dietlof

525
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,120
past tragedy to a slab
avalanche, which occurs when a

526
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,720
bonded layer of snow, the slab,
is lying on top of a weak layer

527
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,080
over a sufficiently large area.
Slab avalanches can be triggered

528
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,240
when there is a slope angle of
at least 30° and when an

529
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,320
additional load is added to the
top layer.

530
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,040
A slab avalanche could explain
both why the hikers left their

531
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,240
tent and some of the injuries
they sustained.

532
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Gowman Cruisering also concluded
that the 1959 avalanche did not

533
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680
occur until several hours after
the Diet Lab group had made a

534
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480
cut in the snow covered slope to
set up camp.

535
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,120
The most crucial factor was the
influence of so-called cadabitic

536
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,120
winds, which we talked about air
down the slope under the force

537
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,960
of gravity.
These winds cause snow to

538
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,880
accumulate uphill above the
tent, which is one of the

539
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280
required elements for a slab
avalanche.

540
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,560
If they hadn't made a cut in the
slope, nothing would have

541
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920
happened.
Pooserine said last year that

542
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,800
was the initial trigger, but
that alone wouldn't have been

543
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920
enough.
The tatted back wind probably

544
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,520
drifted the snow and allowed an
extra load to build up slowly.

545
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,680
A certain point a crack could
have formed and spread, causing

546
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040
the snow slab to release.
But I still want to know why

547
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,480
there's no evidence in
Avalanche.

548
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,960
Also, if you think about it, all
of these pictures show them

549
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920
partially buried in snow.
None of them show the bodies

550
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,880
completely buried.
And if it really were an

551
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240
avalanche, well, I guess they
could have been rolled out by

552
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,960
then, but they were near their
tent.

553
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,240
So that doesn't make sense
either.

554
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Because to me, if I have a giant
avalanche that's enough to kill

555
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,520
all these people all at the same
time, then there would be a lot

556
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,040
of snow.
There would be distance that

557
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,320
these people were pushed or or
rolled and they wouldn't have

558
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,000
been within, I don't know,
meters of their tent, I wouldn't

559
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440
think.
And even 14 days later, or I

560
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,240
mean 2024 days later, the
pictures show a lot of snow

561
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,800
still, but not enough to have
covered everything.

562
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,320
And it's still clearly was
frozen.

563
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,480
It's not like summer happened.
Right, right.

564
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Because we also know time of
year that's so.

565
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Weird.
It's really weird.

566
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Well, I guess it's still a
mystery, but it doesn't sound

567
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,880
like anyone else is going to
look into it.

568
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
No, I think I mean conspiracy
theorists and I don't say that

569
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280
to be derogatory, but you know,
there are people who are still

570
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,640
wanting to look into it.
There's a whole website

571
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,200
dedicated to to they people
researching it.

572
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,840
I believe it's I believe it's
Diet labpass.com.

573
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Let's see here.
Yeah, there's a ton of books

574
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,640
written.
Yeah.

575
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,240
And so I mean, it's just, I just
where's the radiation from?

576
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Where are the burns from?
So like I know that they said

577
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:11,560
there was a small like campfire
area by them, but like were they

578
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,440
were they like warming by the
fire and got pushed in?

579
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,920
I mean what I don't.
Know Well there's one picture I

580
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,200
don't know how real this is, but
there's a picture I just saw

581
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,480
about the incident where
somebody was buried their head

582
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,080
in the snow and the rest of
their body sticking straight up

583
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,920
out of the.
Snow.

584
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Oh wow.
So that makes no sense either.

585
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,920
No.
I mean, and he's got snow on

586
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,320
parts of his body, but he's not
covered in snow.

587
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,320
This is crazy.
Yeah.

588
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,960
Well, and, and that sound they
were talking about, I guess even

589
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,680
if they got confused, it just
doesn't make sense that they

590
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600
would all get get so confused at
the very same moment that they

591
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360
would rush out.
And then some of them in a

592
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,120
Creek, some of them up above and
the ones in the Creek were

593
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,360
missing their parts, which some
people said was post mortem.

594
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,000
But even that I just I
personally believe it's aliens.

595
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
OK.
I mean, I guess maybe, I don't

596
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,880
know, I got carnivorous fish in
the Creek fish.

597
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Barracuda, yeah.
I don't know.

598
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,840
It's so it's I am 5050 on
conspiracy theories.

599
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,000
Like there's something I'm like,
there's some there's some meat

600
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,040
on that bone and then there's
somewhere I'm like, oh, brother,

601
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,199
right.
I'm not going to specify

602
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,960
necessarily which is which
because that's too controversial

603
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,880
for this podcast.
Right.

604
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:53,560
But but yeah, this one, I'm like
just, it's just too disparate,

605
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,840
you know?
Right.

606
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,000
It's just.
No.

607
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,840
One easy answer.
Exactly.

608
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Take a look in the chat and
while I'm trying to send you a

609
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,720
picture that I just found that
could support the avalanche

610
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,440
theory, it's it's in our Google
Chat.

611
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:18,040
So listeners, this this picture
shows a tent like the ones that

612
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,640
they probably had and multi
levels of ground, including

613
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880
there's the surface and then
there's a weak layer of snow and

614
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,280
then a top snow and then a a
wind slab.

615
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,000
And So what there's what in this
picture identifies that the snow

616
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,240
probably was higher.
This is where it supports the

617
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,160
avalanche theory and that it it
would have crushed through and

618
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:46,000
then pushed them out.
But the way this looks it still

619
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
doesn't.
I still can't see it though

620
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,880
even.
I guess if they started to hear

621
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,320
the snow crack then maybe they'd
want to start getting out.

622
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,800
But the way the picture looks,
it looks like the snow is just

623
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,680
at the tent and not beyond.
And I get that this is just a

624
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,760
graphic, but in the picture
above on the right there, the

625
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,160
tent center has snow on it, but
it still doesn't look like

626
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,680
enough to have completely.
Well, not enough to be.

627
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720
Carried an.
Avalanche.

628
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Yeah, not yeah, exactly it looks
like because.

629
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,200
The tent posts are still above
the the level of the snow.

630
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:22,760
Right.
Right.

631
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,800
And I could see if they were all
dead in the tent, right?

632
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,520
And that I could believe the
avalanche theory and even The

633
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,640
thing is, I cannot believe it's
just like you said, it supports

634
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680
part of each one of their
injuries potentially, but none

635
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,560
of it explains all of it at one
time.

636
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,480
Right.
It's ever since I heard of it,

637
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,560
I'm like, wait, what?
So it's one of our it's I think

638
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,240
it's a good topic.
So it is.

639
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,480
What do you think, listeners?
What do you think?

640
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,840
Let us know anyone ever heard of
this mystery and who raise your

641
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,160
hands?
Who wants to go hiking on the

642
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,480
mountain in avalanche zone at
this moment?

643
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,360
I do not.
I do not anything called Death

644
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,240
Mountain.
I'm out.

645
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,320
Although I have gone hiking.
I have summited mountains in

646
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,120
Utah, but not during avalanche
season.

647
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,280
I have never actually.
I did go camping a few times

648
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,360
when it was snowy out to go deer
hunting because my birthday of

649
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,760
course is deer hunting season
which is when we always used to

650
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,160
go camping.
I've been in tents there but I

651
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,480
would not go anywhere extreme
for a lot of reasons, not the

652
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,680
least of which is camping
outside in the winter is enough

653
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,000
extreme for me.
Oh my gosh, I don't even know

654
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,200
if.
I mean, I've probably camped

655
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,480
outside in the winter ever
because of who my dad is, but I

656
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,840
don't know that I've ever.
Well, I guess I have done it on

657
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,280
purpose as an adult, but it's
not my favorite.

658
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
On purpose, I accidentally went
camping.

659
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Oh my goodness.
Well, good talk, BIC.

660
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,400
Thank you.
And you know, some mysteries

661
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,840
will never be solved, at least
to my satisfaction.

662
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,320
Agreed.
Agreed.

663
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,400
It's funny, I used to when I was
younger.

664
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,400
So one of the things I was
raised within my religion is I

665
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,320
mean, I think this is true of
most of Christianity, but is

666
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,960
that you'll have the you'll see
your entire life in front of

667
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,320
you, but God will be watching
also or something to that

668
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,800
degree.
I would picture as a child.

669
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,640
I would picture this literal
like projector projecting my

670
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,480
entire life and I used.
To oh, you mean when you die or

671
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,800
something?
Yeah, you die.

672
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,760
Sorry, sorry.
I suffer.

673
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,760
I suffer with context.
Lack of context itis.

674
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Lack of context itis.
That's an official disorder

675
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,920
we'll study later.
Anyway, so like that's kind of

676
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,840
what I visualize, right?
Like this, this projector with

677
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,760
the two film canisters on it was
projecting my my life while God

678
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160
watches and I watch.
And I remember one of the things

679
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,640
I took away from that was I am
going to remember exactly how

680
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,280
this such and such thing
happened.

681
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,040
So maybe when we're watching,
when we're watching our videos

682
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,080
of our lives, we'll be able to
see what happened at the Diet

683
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Love Pass.
There you go, 'cause I'm sure

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that'll be on my reel.
No, I I'm thinking my reel's

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long enough that I won't need
anyone else's reel's going.

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That's probably true.
Oh my goodness.

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Well, on that note, thanks
Crystal.

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We'll look forward to our next
topic.

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