Have a Holly Jolly Christmas

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Welcome to M4 Medicine, mystery,
mayhem, and sometimes murder.

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I'm Andrea Marciano and RN with
35 years of experience across

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various fields.
From direct patient care in

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hospitals to home health,
geriatrics, and injury medicine,

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I face life, death, and
everything in between.

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And I'm Crystal Miller and RN
with 13 1/2 years of experience.

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My work spans home health,
Hospice, emergency care,

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geriatrics, and occupational
health.

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From the chaos of trauma based
quiet moments with patients,

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I've seen stories that defy
explanations.

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We've been friends for over 25
years and as nurses we've shared

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countless stories that have left
us and our families speechless.

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storytelling, education and
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mayhem and sometimes murder.
Let's dive in.

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Hey Crystal, how are you doing?
I'm doing well.

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How are you?
I'm very well, thank you.

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I'm just thinking about the
holidays coming up here and when

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this podcast is released,
Christmas will be in just a

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couple of days.
Hey, Christmas.

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Yay, I am still deciding what
we're going to do this year.

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Josh and Emily are not sure if
they're going to be under

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Whidbey Island or if they're
going to be in their Seattle

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place because they've been doing
2 for convenience lately and a

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bunch of other reasons.
But convenience sounds really

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good.
But we haven't decided if we're

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going to go there or if we're
going to hang out at home and

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then meet with them another
time.

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What do you have?
I'm actually traveling out to

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Utah.
The six of us that live in

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Oklahoma are traveling out to
Utah, staying at an VRBO, which

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is similar to an Airbnb, and
hanging out with my kids that

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live there and you know, like my
siblings and my parents and

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stuff since we don't live in
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That's true.
You don't.

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Yep.
You want to swing by here?

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I have something I want to send
out that way.

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I guess sure, it's just right on
the way.

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Pacific cars waste way from
Oklahoma to Utah.

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Oh come on, what kind of friend
are you anyway?

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Well that's good, that sounds
fun.

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And how many cars will you be
taking 2?

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Yeah, so we got two big dogs.
So we can't, even if we could

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fit all the people in one car,
we can't fit all the people in

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both dogs in the car.
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Wow, Well, I think it's better
to drive in two cars anyway

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'cause if there's some sort of
problem, you're not stuck on the

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side of the road, you know, just
waiting and waiting and

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hopefully there wouldn't be a
problem.

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And I always copiously do auto
checks before I leave and have

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the oil change if it's time the
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that.
Yeah, and that's generally a

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good policy anyway.
Well, good.

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Our topic today is about
mysterious Christmas events,

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right?
And there's a lot of them.

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And I want you to know I
controlled myself because there

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were also some Christmas
murders, but I kept those off

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the table.
Since we're not a murder

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podcast.
No, no.

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Sometimes we play 1 on TV
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So it's been really interesting
looking at these events.

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They're called, I've titled it
events, but it's really, some of

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them are things that people do,
some of them are superstitions.

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A lot of them are superstitions.
And I just thought it was really

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interesting because so much of
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superstitions are really mean to
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I guess it shouldn't surprise me
because I've listened to fables

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with a different ear ever since
I've gotten to be an adult.

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I'm like, they're killing
people.

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This is not right.
I don't really.

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I really have started to think
that all those things were built

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in order to scare kids enough to
be well behaved.

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Probably.
Yeah.

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Anyway, I have a few sources.
These sources are a little bit

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less air quote legit than our
usual.

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Sources Just because I'm.
Generally looking online, but I

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wanted to do something sort of
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the Christmas holiday, and I'd
like to tell you about my

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sources.
One of the sources is

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internations.org and it's a
magazine and they have articles

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about a lot of different types
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What I was looking at were the
unusual Christmas traditions

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from around the world and the
thinking traveler and they

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talked about traditions in Italy
and your ukraine.com and they

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talk about something I won't say
right now because I'll talk

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about it later, but it's
Ukrainian Christmas traditions.

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And then an article from Mental
Floss, the Holidays edition, it

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talks.
I won't give the whole topic of

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that either, but it's how one of
the topics we'll be talking

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about became legend.
And then list verse 10 of the

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most unusual Christmas
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And then if we have time,
bbc.com weather we'll talk about

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as well.
OK, it kind of goes, the bbc.com

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goes a little bit different
direction than some of the

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others.
Do you have any Christmas events

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or traditions that come to mind
that your family has done that

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other people might think is a
little bit strange?

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We did for a little while
because I was an exchange

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student in Holland and I learned
about Santa Claus, which is

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December 5th and it's a holiday
that where people wrap basically

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white elephant gifts, but they
them in elaborate ways.

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There's a whole tradition about
Sintra Claus and his, I forgot

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what they're called, but his
companions.

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But like our tradition was just
to do the gift wrapping, the

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white elephant gift wrapping.
And so, you know, for example,

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one year my dad wrapped
something, covered it in, I

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think he put it in a zip lock
and then wrapped it in a box of

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a Tupperware of water.
And then, you know, another big

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box, just stuff like that.
Or one time there was a small

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gift that was wrapped in an
entire roll of packing tape.

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Just rolled.
On itself.

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Oh how annoying.
So yeah, that's.

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Right, exactly.
That's a dad thing for sure.

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Not even just your dad, but
Daddy's generous, so that's.

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Kind of the tradition now that
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we've kind of moved on to having
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families, but that that was one
that we used to do in my

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immediate family when I was
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As far as my now my children and
I, we just travel to meet each

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other somewhere each year.
This year I'm actually like I

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said, going to Utah just because
there was some exhaustion on the

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parts of the younger generation
and Holly and I are Hardy enough

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to to do the traveling this
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Old ladies are going.
That's right.

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So yeah, like that's all I can
think of off the top of my head.

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We're going to start a new
tradition this year though.

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Sienna suggested it and it's a
ceremony where you on the 24th

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of December, you write down 13
things you wish for your future.

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And then every day after that
you burn one one of the papers

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without looking at it.
And then once all all of them

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are burned but the last one,
then that last one becomes your

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focus for the year, and the
universe takes care of the rest.

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No way.
Cool.

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Huh, I love that I want to do
that.

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Maybe I can talk Max into it,
but even if not I might just do

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it myself.
You can do it by yourself.

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That's.
Right.

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That's so awesome.
Well, we didn't have, Josh has

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said a lot of times that we
didn't really have Christmas

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traditions.
And we talked a little bit about

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this with our last podcast, how
we used to stay up.

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I think it was the last one, but
a recent one where we used to

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stay up and and wrapped presents
and stuff like that and and so

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that we did for probably 10
years anyway, don't you think?

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Yeah.
Maybe more, maybe more, but

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anyway, at least a 10 year time
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Present 10 years, so probably 10
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And then we just sort of
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I think that came around the
time I moved away.

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But anyway, the one thing that I
did do that obviously meant more

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to me than it did the kids
because neither one of them

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thought about it is I did the 12
days of Christmas, I put a

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little Christmas tree in their
place at the dinner table

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because, you know, people
usually have a place.

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They said so their places and
one for me too.

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And I just got little gifts.
A lot of them came from the

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dollar store kind of thing.
And but it was just fun to wake

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up and have a Christmas gift.
When I was talking to the kids

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about it, I'm like, wasn't that
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They't like, oh huh, they didn't
remember it.

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Like all that effort, but I
wasted at least $13.

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At least.
I was trying to think over the

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years how much it was, but I
probably was wasted several $100

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for something they didn't seem
to care about.

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But that's all right.
And one of the things that my my

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sister has done is she has a
rotating gift, at least she used

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to.
I don't know if they do anymore,

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but it would rotate and they'd
wrap it and then one person

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would get it and then they'd
rotate and someone else would

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get it and they'd wrap it.
It was the same gift.

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And I don't even remember what
the gift was, but I thought that

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was kind of funny.
To We had that for a little

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while within an Oscar the Grouch
puzzle.

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Yeah, that's hilarious.
Well, and one of the things that

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I know that I have done with the
kids is have one present opened

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on Christmas Eve and the rest
for Christmas, and I've always

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thought that was fun.
Yeah, my sister does.

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Everybody opens pajamas that
she's made for them on Christmas

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Eve and then sleep in them.
And that's their, like,

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tradition.
So I've heard that a lot people

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don't often make the pajamas per
SE, but a lot of, I know a lot

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of people have that tradition
where they get new pajamas every

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Christmas Eve that they that all
match and they wear them, you

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know, to sleep and what.
I'm assuming that was Shawna.

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It was Shawna, Yeah.
Because Shawna is an amazing

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seamstress.
Yes, she is.

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And she's teaching.
Kira, I'm so excited.

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She's teaching Kira.
So Kira just made a dress that

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had a full whalebone bodice.
I saw it.

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Oh, you did see it wasn't that
amazing.

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Oh my God, I I didn't know
that's where she was learning

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it, but that's fantastic.
That's her degree, so oh.

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OK, the detail was amazing.
It just and and she's such a

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teeny little thing.
And to look at that bodice and

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the way it was put together, so.
Oh my goodness.

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Yeah, I I made some things for
the kids when they were young,

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but didn't look anything like
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I made their stockings one year
and it was a farce, I'll tell

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you.
Oh my.

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Goodness, they're they're so
bad.

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They love them so.
Yeah, well, sometimes those are

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the things that memories are
really triggered by, aren't

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they?
The weirdo stuff.

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Yeah, one of my dad's pet peeves
is whenever we were asked what

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our most memorable Christmas was
as kids and even as young

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adults, we'd save the time that
my dad almost burned the house

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down because he forgot to open
the flue of the fireplace and

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was throwing all the wrapping
paper into the fireplace.

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So, you know, it got all smoky
and we had to evacuate.

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And that's everybody's most
favorable Christmas.

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And he's like, well, why can't
your most memorable Christmas be

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like spending time with your?
It's like, well, think about it.

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That's the most memorable.
You almost burned the house.

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Down that is miserable and dad
we were with the family.

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That's hilarious.
Well, I'd love to hear Christmas

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traditions and family lore as it
was as it shows up and when we

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were talking about these things
today.

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Some of them are fun things.
Some of them are scary, as I

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mentioned, but they they run the
gamut.

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Some of the ancient folk
folklore floor includes witches

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visiting on Christmas Eve.
There's a few cultures that have

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a witch involvement and
Ukrainian legends of lucky

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spiders and trees.
I our house has got to be

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doggone lucky around here.
I'm telling you, we have a lot

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of spiders in this area.
Then there's traditions that the

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Czechs do tossing shoes, which
we'll talk about, and

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predictions that occur in some
of these different ways.

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It's really, really fascinating.
And Christmas was actually

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banned by English Puritans, did
you know that?

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No, I'm not surprised.
Because they stole Christmas

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from from Yule so.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And that was, we'll talk just a
titch about that, but not very

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much because that wasn't the
focus.

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But the first thing I wanted to
talk about was a Norway

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tradition about witches and
brooms.

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OK.
OK, Christmas Eve in Norway is

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when witches and evil spirits
supposedly arrive.

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And I find it interesting that
it's witches at Christmas time,

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but that's it's not the only
one.

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So Norwegians take this is a
superstition, of course, and

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they take it to a new level on
Christmas Eve.

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And it says on the day before
Christmas, people across the

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country hide their brooms, They
put them away so they're not

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visible.
They hide them in their closets,

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under the beds and things like
that.

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It's because as the evil spirits
and witches awake on Christmas

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Eve night, they would take the
the brooms and all of all kinds.

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They'd taken the way and ride
across the country if you were

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not hidden, scary.
And And it's funny because they

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save any unnecessary cleaning
until the festivities are over

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so that they don't accidentally
have brooms laying around.

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Bye, bye.
There goes all the good wishes

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and the good stuff.
But I just have visions of the

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witches looking around.
I mean because I guess the

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witches can't open doors to to
closets or look under beds or

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anything.
They have to be out in the

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Plainview.
Yeah, maybe it's some sort of

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witch witch contract.
That has to be.

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The other thing that I alluded
to a minute ago is lucky

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spiders.
And this is Ukrainian tradition.

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You know, usually if you're
keeping house, you clean spider

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webs, you shoot spiders away or
just try not to notice that

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they're there, right?
And spiders like to hide in

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corners.
They like to hide in little

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hidey holes.
And we have one actually in the

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Airbnb that hides behind the
cabinet next to the toilet.

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And every once in a while it'll
poke itself out.

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And every time I try and get it,
it goes back behind there.

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I'm like, come on.
But there's a, there's a board.

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So it's protected.
It's not open to the wall.

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It's protected.
But I also like it there because

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I'm hoping it's eating bugs I
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But it's, I figure it's working
real hard to survive at any

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rate.
At any rate, with many

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traditions from your Ukraine,
spiders are actually accepted in

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the home.
Because, and this is a quote

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according to ancient
storytellers, there was once a

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widow living in her cramped,
cold Hut with her children.

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One day, a pine cone dropped
from the tree outside and took

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root.
The children, excited by the

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prospect of a tree for
Christmas, tended the ceiling

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and made plans about how they
would decorate the tree.

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Poverty was a way of life for
the small family, and when

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Christmas approached, the widow
knew they would not be able to

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decorate the tree.
The children and the widow

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accepted their fate and went to
bed on Christmas Eve, the tiny

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branches bare.
And then this is the end of the

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quote.
But what happened is the

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household spiders heard the
children's sobs.

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Those spiders were so sensitive,
so they went onto the tree and

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they spun intricate webs.
So they decorated it.

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Early on Christmas morning, the
children awoke and this is

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another quote from the
storybook.

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Mother, mother, wake up and see
the tree.

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It's beautiful.
And then the widow rose, and she

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saw that during the night the
spiders had spun beautiful

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wedges, webs around the fragile
branches.

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And then this.
This is part of the story, and

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I'm just going to read this part
too because it makes me laugh.

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As the rays of the sun crept
along the floor and silently

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climbed the tree, the glow
touched the threads of the web,

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turning each one into silver and
gold.

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As the story goes, from that day
forward, the widow never wanted

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for anything.
What lovely spiders and sun.

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So nice and to remember this
miracle the your Canadians still

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decorate their trees with
artificial spider webs to this

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day.
And it's to usher in good luck

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and fortune for the coming year.
So, so maybe consider the next

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time a spider comes into your
home, it's because it's warm and

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cozy, and maybe it might be
ready to spin you a web to make

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all of your wishes and dreams
come true.

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I hope so.
Yeah, or it could be like the

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spiders outside that I walk
through.

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I walk through outside with
because we have so many trees,

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so we have a lot of spider webs
that go across.

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I walk outside with the karate
chopping in front of my face

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because I don't mind spider webs
on my hands, but I don't want

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them across my face.
So I'm sure I look a little bit

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insane, but I'm not the only one
out there doing it.

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So it's it's OK or I'll take a
stiff but.

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Now maybe go in a circular
motion in front of me.

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Well, then I'd have like spider
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That's.
What I was just thinking when

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you said that because that
movement listener, she was doing

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a circular like a stick movement
and it was, I was envisioning

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cotton candy too.
That's hilarious.

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And you know, just be careful.
And also if you pull out of

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broom to clean them up, you
better make sure it's put away.

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Put it back.
Yeah, the Czech Republic has

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several Christmas traditions,
and a lot of them are predicting

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love.
Oh, interesting.

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OK.
And they're primarily focused on

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unmarried individuals, and the
the most well known customs

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involve throwing a shoe and the
blooming of a cherry branch.

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OK.
Yeah, so here it is on Christmas

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Day and Christmas Day in the
Czech Republic is on December

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24th.
All of the unmarried young women

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stand with their back to the
main door of their house and

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throw one of their shoes over
their shoulder.

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OK, so Can you imagine a village
with a bunch of girls out there?

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So if the toe of the shoe points
towards the door, it means that

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the woman will marry and leave
her family home within the next

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year.
If the heel points towards the

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door, she remains single for at
least another year.

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Oh dear.
I know, so I'm sure this comes

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true all the time too.
I'm sure it's 100% accurate.

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100% accurate.
I mean, it's pretty cute though.

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And then I wonder what shoes,
what shoes do they use?

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Do they use the shoes that
they've outgrown and they want

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to get rid of?
Or is it what what I mean, is it

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more valid if it's a good shoe
versus a bad shoe?

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I don't know.
I didn't look that far into it,

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but it's a very serious, serious
thing that they're predicting

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there.
And then the Cherry Tree twigs

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are another tradition that
decides whether a girl will

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marry within a year, and I guess
this year is the sweet spot.

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And so the unmarried girls will
go out on December 4th on Saint

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Barbara's Day and cut a twig
from a Cherry Tree and place it

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in water.
And then this is the catch.

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If the twig blooms by Christmas
Eve, December 24th, it is a sign

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that the girl will marry within
a year.

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Wow, I know, and I guess if it
doesn't, I don't know how long

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she won't get it.
It'll be until she gets doesn't.

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I mean, how long does it take to
come true if it doesn't bloom?

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Does she just do it every single
year until she gets married?

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I guess so.
I guess, yeah.

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That'd be my guess.
What if she gets married?

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She had no blooms.
Then she's defying reason.

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I know.
And she's doomed, I'm sure.

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All right.
And of course, we've heard of

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mistletoe.
Well I think every tradition

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I've ever heard about mistletoe
is that if someone is standing

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under it and someone sees them,
they have to go kiss them.

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It doesn't have to be a romantic
kiss, at least not in my life.

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Haven't got a lot of mistletoe
hanging around anymore.

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I do remember when your mom
bought some mistletoe and hung

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it in the in the doorway of the
kitchen so she'd stand around

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waiting for someone to walk
through so she could kiss them.

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But in the Czech Republic, as in
many places, it believes that a

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couple who kisses under a hung
piece of mistletoe will have

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their love guaranteed throughout
the next year.

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So I guess they just have to
always.

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Guarantee.
I know I, I would, I would think

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that they just always, forever
and ever have to kiss under the

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mistletoe if they want
guaranteed love.

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I mean, it keeps the love alive.
If you do it every year, you get

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at least one kiss a year.
If you're only getting one kiss

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a year, I guess that love isn't
that strong.

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I don't know.
Some people don't.

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I don't know.
I, you know, I can't, I can't

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judge these, these traditions.
The important thing is for good

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luck.
In addition to guaranteed love,

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the mistletoe should not be
bought.

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It should have been given as a
gift.

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Oh, OK.
So that's, that's also the key.

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I don't know if it's only
guaranteed for six months.

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If you know it's not.
If it's pot, I don't know.

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What if you go collect it
outside?

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They didn't say anything about
that.

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But maybe you collect it and
give it to your friends and they

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give you some and then all is
well.

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Yeah, there you go.
And then there's some other

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predictions that the Czech
republics use and they have this

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Christmas for them is just
really rich and storytelling

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traditions and customs.
And one of the things that they

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do is cut an apple.
So apple is cut in half

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crosswise and if the core forms
a regular 5 pointed star,

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everyone at the help the table
will remain healthy.

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However, a cross shape or fewer
than 5 seeds predicts an

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illness.
I know that's a bummer.

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A lot of this is like an either
or you get either business or

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you all is terrible and then
right exactly.

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And then they also float walnut
shells.

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So they take a candle and they
put it in the half walnut shell

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and they float it on water and
each person's boat air quote

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presents represents their fate
for the coming year.

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I was looking at that and that's
all they said is they just do it

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and I don't know, maybe if your
your boat.

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Sinks.
You capsize, right?

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You're capsize.
You're in big trouble.

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But it it, they didn't say
anything about what the

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consequence was if something
happened to your boat.

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Or what if the what if the
candle goes out?

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I don't know.
But I guess they have a whole

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thing about what it represents.
But I didn't see it.

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I was looking around and I
didn't find what it meant.

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And I'm sure it's out there.
I just probably didn't type it

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in right or something like that.
But also another thing that

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people in the Czech Republic do
is they fast on Christmas Day,

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which, yeah, that's one of the
one of the days that we don't

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fast.
Yeah, exactly.

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Those who don't eat all day will
see a golden pig on the wall in

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the evening.
I'm like, huh?

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And then the article I read said
that shiny golden pig on the

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wall.
She said it's a symbol of

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happiness, wealth, joy and
prosperity.

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But, you know, when hunger
strikes, you might just start

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seeing visions or even spot that
elusive golden pig.

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Wow.
OK, that's interesting.

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And here's the final, the final
thing that I saw in the Czech

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Christmas sort of traditions.
And it's something that sounds

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smelly, at least potentially to
me.

452
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,760
But they feel like the the carp,
the scales of the carp, you

453
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,400
know, the fish symbolize money
because the scales can look like

454
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200
coins, I guess, because they're
shiny.

455
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,120
And they have a tradition of
keeping carp sale scales in

456
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,400
their wallets for financial law,
right?

457
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,280
And I guess they just do a
couple of scales.

458
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,440
I mean, you're not stuffing a
whole fish in there, but a

459
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,000
couple of scales wrapped in
tissue and and kept in the

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,560
wallet.
And another thing they do is

461
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960
they take some of these scales
and, and wrap them in tissue.

462
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Then this case too.
And they put them under the

463
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,600
plates during Christmas dinner.
Once the person finds the

464
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,120
scales, they're immediately
added to wallets for prosperity

465
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,560
in the coming year.
So when I said it like that, I

466
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,040
wondered if not everybody gets
them.

467
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:43,880
I don't know, sorry, but I just
thought that was kind of

468
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,880
interesting.
One of the things that I said,

469
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,600
that was the final one, but I
forgot this one.

470
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,240
It's a it's kind of a dark
tradition, but once the dinner

471
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,280
meal starts, nobody is allowed
to leave the table until

472
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
everyone finishes their meal.
So everything has to be ready.

473
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,160
You have to have all the food,
all the condiments or whatever

474
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,120
or, and beverages and glasses
and everything right at the

475
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,440
table.
And now they can be close to

476
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,200
hand at another table, but no
one can get up.

477
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,600
And the reason is if you leave
the table, something bad may

478
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,240
happen to you during the next
year.

479
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,120
I would definitely have gone to
the bathroom before this started

480
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,160
because I don't want something
bad to happen to me.

481
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,000
It's kind of wild.
And there's, you know, again,

482
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,760
what does bad mean?
Does it mean I get a ingrown

483
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800
toenail or does it mean that I
get hit by a clip?

484
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,920
I don't know what the degree of
bad it is.

485
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,440
And then, and it would be easy
to attribute almost anything to

486
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,440
it if if somebody got up and I
don't know what age this starts.

487
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,560
I mean, if there's an, are they
stuck there too?

488
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Who knows, Maybe they ate really
fast.

489
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,520
I'm not really sure, but I
thought that was kind of

490
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,000
interesting.
And then a tradition that is

491
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960
actually a general European
tradition and some cultures is

492
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,600
that there always has to be an
even number of place settings at

493
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,360
the table.
So even if you're a group of

494
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:06,920
three or five, you have to bring
that one more plate setting to

495
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,440
make an even number because it's
a tradition that odd numbers

496
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,680
bring bad luck and illness.
Since many of these cultures,

497
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,920
and this is another thing that
have been on the Czech culture

498
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,240
list too, is that they're really
sensitive to superstitions and

499
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,400
tradition during Christmas time.
They like to follow all the

500
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,480
rules and old traditions just in
case.

501
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,760
That's interesting.
So if we have any listeners that

502
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,360
are from the Czech Republic, I
would love to know if you follow

503
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,080
any or all of these traditions
or if you if this is the first

504
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,400
time you've heard of them even
I'm I'm very curious.

505
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Yeah, because that really could
be a thing.

506
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,880
Maybe it's not really as true as
the articles I read make it out

507
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,160
to be.
Right, right.

508
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,280
This is an interesting one too.
You know how in the Christmas

509
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,440
story of the Nativity and Jesus
and the animals and things like

510
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,400
that, some people people believe
that this tradition we're going

511
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,880
to talk about now started way
back in the Manger.

512
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,320
So however you think about the
Manger situation or any of that,

513
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,160
this is where they think it
started.

514
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,480
The tradition is that animals
gain the power of speech on

515
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,400
Christmas Eve.
Yeah, I didn't know that.

516
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,600
But this is one that I think
people from what I was reading

517
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,960
feel feel pretty strongly about.
And it's most common in parts of

518
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,600
Europe.
And it's applied to farm animals

519
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,360
and household pets both.
So any animal has this

520
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,560
possibility.
It's said in the research that I

521
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,840
did is it operates on the belief
that Jesus of birth occurred at

522
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,920
exactly midnight on Christmas
Day, leading to various

523
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,720
supernatural occurrences.
So many speculate, though, that

524
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,760
this myth has Pagan roots, which
makes sense.

525
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Or it may have morphed from the
belief that the ox and the

526
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,320
donkey and the nativity bowed
down when Jesus was born.

527
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040
So in any case, either way, the
story is taken on a life of its

528
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,640
own with different versions
ranging from sweet to scary.

529
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560
And as I mentioned, many of
these traditions feel really

530
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,880
scary to me.
There is a story called A

531
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Christmas Troll and Other Yield
type stories by Clement A Miles.

532
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,200
This one is one of the sinister
versions of this holiday lore.

533
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,360
This story tells the pets who
apparently are vengeful and

534
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,360
fighting against their masters.
I'm going to read part of it

535
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,560
and.
Sounds like Animal Farm.

536
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,560
Right, right.
This part of it.

537
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Once Upon a time there was a
woman who starved her cat and

538
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,120
dog at midnight on Christmas
Eve.

539
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,800
She heard the dog say to the
cat, it's quite time we lost her

540
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,800
mistress.
She's a regular miser.

541
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Tonight burglars are coming to
steal her money.

542
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,960
If she cries out, they will
break her head.

543
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,440
It will be a good deed, the cat
replied.

544
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
The woman in terror got up to go
to a neighbor's house.

545
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,960
As she went out, the burglars
opened the door and when she

546
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720
shouted for help, they broke her
head.

547
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Oh wow, I know.
Well, I mean if she was starving

548
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,120
them.
But I mean, yeah, that's.

549
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,560
But, and there's another tale at
coming from the German Alps, and

550
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,480
it featured animals and the
moles for telling their

551
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,600
caretakers death.
And then on Christmas Eve, a

552
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,840
young farm servant hidden was
hiding in the stables.

553
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,920
And he was hoping to witness the
the animal speaking because he

554
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,320
knew it could happen.
It just doesn't always happen,

555
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,800
apparently.
But he was hiding.

556
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,000
He wanted to see what happens.
And what he heard was a very

557
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,520
alarming conversation between
two horses.

558
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,400
OK, so this is how the
conversation went according to

559
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,800
this fable.
So here it is.

560
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160
We shall have hard work to do
this day, says one horse.

561
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Yes, the farmer's servant is
heavy, replies the other.

562
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520
The the other horse.
And the way to the churchyard is

563
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,920
long and steep, says the first.
And what happens next is the

564
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,160
servant dies a few days later,
leaving those horses to do some

565
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,880
heavy lifting.
Wow, I know that was something.

566
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680
And then a more a more modern
version of the tale.

567
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,000
This one aired in on ABC in
1970.

568
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,800
And this is the one you're I
think you might be have been

569
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,560
referring to.
It's it was made for TV cartoon

570
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,360
titled the night the animals
talk.

571
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,280
I don't know if that's what you
meant or you were talking about,

572
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,680
or maybe because I know there
was an animal farm as well.

573
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,720
But I, I may have gotten these
two stories mixed up.

574
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,080
But in this story, and again, it
was on TV, the animals gain the

575
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760
power of speech and sing a song
exalting their new found ability

576
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,760
to insult each other.
The the part of the song was you

577
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,240
can bicker with and anyone you
hate.

578
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,640
It's great to communicate
that's.

579
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Lovely, that's.
Great.

580
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,440
Yes, by the time the animals
realized that the beginning been

581
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
given the ability in order to
spread the message, the what

582
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
they were supposed to be doing
is spreading the message of

583
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,960
Jesus's birth.
But it was too late.

584
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200
While they were running through
the streets of Bethlehem, they

585
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,480
lose their speech 1 by 1.
The ox was the last to lose the

586
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,520
ability.
The ox was very sad, and it was

587
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,920
lamenting that so many people
seemed to use their gift of

588
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,840
speech in a wasteful way.
So I guess the moral of the

589
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,280
story is that so many people use
their gift of speech to insult

590
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,560
each other, to be mad to things
like this.

591
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,080
And the animals thought it was
really great, but then they

592
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,880
realized that they weren't using
it the right way.

593
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760
I guess the moral of the story
was sort of good that we should

594
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,400
say good things and nice things,
but there's kind of an

595
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,000
interesting way to get there.
Yeah, no kidding.

596
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,480
And this one was called the
Friendly Beasts and it was kind

597
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640
of a light hearted version of A
Christmas Carol.

598
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,400
And it's in a hymn form and they
talk about the top hockey

599
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,720
animals.
One of the things that was in

600
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,280
the song was I said the donkey,
shaggy and brown, I carried his

601
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,120
mother uphill and down.
I said the cow all white and

602
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,160
red.
I gave him my Manger for his

603
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360
head.
And they kept going on and on

604
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600
and they had sheeps and doves
and all the sorts of animals

605
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,600
just singing about how joyous
and their part in the event.

606
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,280
So actually, I think that one
seems like it was probably kind

607
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,920
of cute.
As far as I know, there's nobody

608
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,040
that died in that one.
But there was a French medieval

609
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,040
feast, and it honored Mary,
Jesus and Joseph's flight into

610
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,480
Egypt.
And the donkey that transported

611
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,520
them.
They had a song about that, and

612
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,520
it was saying that the beast,
which they referred to as the

613
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,200
donkey as an ass.
And it says from the east, ass

614
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,200
has come, which included a
chorus of hail, Sir, donkey,

615
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,880
hail.
All right, well, that's really

616
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,600
interesting.
A lot of times these these

617
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,680
legends and stories talked about
these animals having

618
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,200
supernatural abilities, if you
will, but not all of them had

619
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,240
stories about animals.
Only one of them.

620
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:12,800
It was in the 1821 John Howson
wrote a story about it was

621
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,960
called Sketches of Upper Canada
and he was talking about the

622
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Native Americans and he recounts
that a Native American had told

623
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,280
him it was Christmas night and
all the deers will fall upon

624
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,760
their knees to the Great Spirit.
OK.

625
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,600
And he talks, I guess this whole
story is about how that could

626
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,520
happen another time.
In 1879, William Henderson wrote

627
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
a book called The Folklore of
the Northern Counties of England

628
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,640
and Their Borders.
This is a a story that's

629
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,840
recounted about bees assembling
in a type of choir and this is

630
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,680
what I will I read this part.
It says that the Reverend Hugh

631
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Taylor writes a man of the name
of Murray died about the age of

632
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,920
90 in the parish of Ederson.
He told sister of mine that on

633
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,280
Christmas Eve, the bees
assembled and hum a Christmas

634
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,880
hymn.
And there's mother had

635
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,360
distinctly heard them do this on
one occasion when she had gone

636
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,040
out to listen for her husband's
return.

637
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,040
Murray was a shrewd man, yet he
seemed to believe this

638
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880
implicitly.
They were.

639
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,360
The bees were telling his mother
that her husband would be

640
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,880
returning and then in another
case, singing.

641
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,280
Bees go back to the kneeling
oxen that we talked about.

642
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Bees were said to sing at
midnight, as soon as the day of

643
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,120
the nativity begins, and also
the oxen knelt in their stalls

644
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,679
on the same day and hour.
So singing bees, plotting pets,

645
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,840
they're going horses, praying
oxen and more all illustrate the

646
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,199
power of Christmas Eve.
Short of a supernatural power,

647
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,520
though, it certainly has a
strong hold on the collective

648
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,960
imagination.
Yes.

649
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,280
I always wonder you you think
about, say, the bees, how did

650
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,760
that start?
Because I've never heard a story

651
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,720
of bees for telling anything.
I haven't either.

652
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Or even forming a choir.
No, no, that's true.

653
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,360
They do make a lot of sound, so
I can see that.

654
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,240
So maybe somebody had been a
little too heavily getting into

655
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,160
the need.
Yeah, right.

656
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,920
I.
Started hearing messages,

657
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,120
messages from the bees.
All right, I don't know, but

658
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,880
these are.
It's interesting how different

659
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,240
places have traditions now.
Have you ever heard of Krampus?

660
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Yep, I knew you had.
That was a trick question

661
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,760
because I knew you had.
The Krampus, as you know, is a

662
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360
hairy goat like beast and has
horns and fangs, a long tongue

663
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,320
and usually is pretty unpleasant
looking.

664
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,880
He looks scary most times.
Sometimes they soften him down a

665
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,880
little bit.
Mostly he looks scary.

666
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080
And he's known to carry chains
and and switches made from the

667
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,800
Birch trees.
And switches are skinny branches

668
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,240
to whack people.
And what he does is he roams the

669
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,600
streets and he visits homes.
He punishes bad children by

670
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,760
swatting them with the switches
and even taking them away in a

671
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,800
basket.
I know, please don't tell my

672
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,080
children that, because if
they're going to believe it,

673
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,280
they're going to be scared all
night.

674
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,360
Yes.
Krampus makes his first

675
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,400
appearance on December 5th,
which is the night before Saint

676
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,840
Nicholas Day.
A lot of times the towns will

677
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,640
have parades with costume
participants in Krampus costumes

678
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,920
and they go through the streets
and they make festive, chaotic,

679
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
chaotic and sometimes terrifying
atmosphere.

680
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Because if I saw a whole bunch
of those scary guys, I don't

681
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,080
think I'd want to be out there.
But this this tradition is

682
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,880
primarily celebrated in the
Alpine regions of Austria,

683
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Bavaria and Switzerland and some
people from German American

684
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,640
heritage do it here in North
America.

685
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,680
I know I have some friends who
do Krampus sort of stuff and I

686
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,280
don't know, I just am not a fan
of scary stuff and that seems

687
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,200
really scary to me.
That really seems scary to me.

688
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160
But apparently it came from pre
Christian Pagan traditions.

689
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Again, Pagan doesn't surprise me
and I have nothing against

690
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Pagan, it's just that sounds
like a lot of traditions that

691
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,920
people now consider Christian
came from Pagan traditions.

692
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Do you have a definition of
Pagan that would?

693
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480
My understanding is that Pagan
is they believe basically that

694
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,760
nature is God.
Yeah, that's the way I that's

695
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,640
the way I understand it too.
So in a way, Krampus sort of

696
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,360
thing, some sort of mutant goat
or something comes around.

697
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,440
I'm not sure where that comes
from.

698
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,840
And then Krampus honestly is
scary to me.

699
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,960
And we had a thing that when I
lived in Poulsbo that someone

700
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120
wanted to do Krampus.
And for the first year they want

701
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,520
to do Krampus along with Santa
and have them running around the

702
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,480
streets because we have parades
out there and that sort of

703
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,240
thing.
And a lot of people are against

704
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,400
it because they were sort of
afraid of it, but they got a

705
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,440
Krampus costume.
Well, it has a little bit of

706
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,320
creepiness is not, it's not
scary.

707
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
So once everybody realized it
wasn't going to be a really

708
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,120
creepy thing, they said, oh,
sure, that's, that's a good way

709
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,040
because it's, it is a European
tradition in some countries of

710
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Norway, some areas of Norway use
Krampus as well.

711
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,280
And, and now they're doing it
every year.

712
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,840
I understand.
There's a there's a horror film

713
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,160
called Krampus or something like
that where I've never seen it,

714
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,240
that I, if I recall correctly,
that they've made a whole

715
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,440
somebody made a horror film
based on Krampus.

716
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,640
I would not at all be surprised
because it seems like he'd be a

717
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,280
good candidate for that.
Yeah.

718
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,600
One of the other things that
this one isn't creepy, it's a

719
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:39,360
thing they do in Venezuela.
And I don't know exactly why

720
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,080
this.
Anyway, I'll just tell you about

721
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,760
the tradition.
People rollerblade to mass in

722
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,720
Venezuela.
Oh yeah.

723
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,840
So the Reddit residents of the
city of Caracas swarm the

724
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,520
streets on Christmas Eve to make
their journey to Christmas Mass.

725
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,240
And it's a tradition that goes
back several generations.

726
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,640
And it said to inject some
excitement into the festivities

727
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,240
while the rest of the world
floods across the snow.

728
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,480
They do.
It because they could and

729
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,480
actually now they they even
close down Rd. so that there's a

730
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,280
safe trip to the church with
minimal casualties, which

731
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,240
implies to me that there had not
been minimal casualties in the

732
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,040
past.
Something must have come up

733
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,440
because things like that don't
usually happen unless there's a

734
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,720
problem.
Another thing that's an

735
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,120
interesting tradition, I think,
is Kentucky Fried Chicken in

736
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Japan.
Oh, OK.

737
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,040
So apparently over the past few
decades, KFC had been synonymous

738
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,360
with Christmas Day feast in
Japan.

739
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Interesting.
And it's estimated that 3.6

740
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,320
million Japanese families treat
themselves to this type of fast

741
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,200
food on Christmas Day.
What's also kind of another

742
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,880
twist on it is that Christmas
has only recently become a

743
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,880
recognized and popular time for
celebration in Japanese culture.

744
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
The unusual tradition of eating
KFC for Christmas that started

745
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,480
in 1970s with a new marketing
campaign which was called

746
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,000
Kentucky for Christmas, and it
immediately took off apparently.

747
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,240
And today, families still gather
around on Christmas Day for some

748
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,240
quality time together at the
dinner table, all way enjoying

749
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,440
some delicious deep fried
chicken.

750
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Nice.
Yeah, and then this one.

751
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160
This one made me laugh.
I'm just going to read what the

752
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,040
thing had said because I can't
say it better, but it says the

753
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,560
13 Lads of Christmas.
Why settle for just Santa when

754
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,560
you can have a whole gang of 13
Christmas characters with names

755
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
like Spoon Liquor, Sausage
Swiper and Doorway Sniffer?

756
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Iceland's mischievous Yule Lads
come out to play or cause

757
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,240
mayhem.
And which, of course, is why we

758
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,000
like it.
And they visit the country's

759
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,800
children in 13 days leading up
to Christmas.

760
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,920
In this tradition, Yule Lads
visit any child who puts shoes

761
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,360
in their bedroom window.
They leave gifts for those who

762
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,120
have been good and rotting
potatoes for the naughty ones.

763
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
That reminds me, for Sintra
claws in in the Netherlands,

764
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,800
they also put out they put out
wooden shoes or boots for Sintra

765
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,200
claws.
And I did remember his

766
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,800
companions are called Black
Pete.

767
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,760
Or if I recall correctly, I
might get skewered for this, but

768
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,120
I think it was Schwartz.
A pizza.

769
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400
Yeah.
So they put out wooden shoes or

770
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,480
boots and Sintra claws, who
delivers gifts into those shoes

771
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,720
as well.
Yeah, and the shoe tradition is

772
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:32,840
fairly strong in many cultures.
I I know that there's a lot of,

773
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,400
I mean, I believe Holland was
one of the ones that did it too,

774
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,400
because I've seen pictures of
wooden shoes with things

775
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,880
sticking out of them, and that's
kind of fun.

776
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,680
But probably they get rotten
potatoes or something too.

777
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Or of course, we're used.
To the whole whole which has

778
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,280
something like that.
We'll talk about that in a few

779
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,800
minutes.
So there is a tradition of using

780
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,360
goats for Christmas festival and
festivities.

781
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,760
Another thing that may be rooted
in Pagan tradition.

782
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,720
Which makes sense again based on
what we think the diagnosis.

783
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,200
Nope, the description is Oh my
golly.

784
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,040
It seems to be a common theme
when it comes to Swedish

785
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,360
Christmas decor.
Emblem of a goat is hung on

786
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,800
doors and trees and used to
spread Yule time joy.

787
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
There's a Swedish town whose
name I'm probably going to

788
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,200
pronounce totally incorrectly,
but gavel and it's about 160

789
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,680
kilometers north of Stockholm.
They build a 13 meter three ton

790
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,720
goat out of wood and straw and
they put it in the middle of

791
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,760
their marketplace to the
beginning of the festivities.

792
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,520
So it's the gavel goat, which
they have written in Swedish,

793
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,960
which I won't even try to say,
but it's been this town has been

794
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,720
doing it since 1966.
It reminded me a little bit of

795
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,680
Burning Man and those sorts of
things because at the end it's

796
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,400
usually burnt, it's usually set
on fire.

797
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,120
And one of the things that
happened is that it almost never

798
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,520
survives into the the new year.
But part of the tradition.

799
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,400
Residents attempt to burn down
the creature as the rest of the

800
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480
population waits to see if
they're able to succeed.

801
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,520
Interesting.
Yeah.

802
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,840
Apparently usually they do since
it really makes it into the new

803
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,720
year.
And then you spoke of Yule, but

804
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,720
Yule is a Pagan winter solstice
celebration at Iceland.

805
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Some other places do it too, but
Iceland is is the primary.

806
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,000
The way I read it, at dusk, the
Yule cat prowls around the land

807
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,480
and he's ravenous.
It's a frightening beast with

808
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,560
apparently big claws and things
like that.

809
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,920
And he goes and he goes to
frighten and he hunts.

810
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040
They say men, but I'm not sure
if it's just men.

811
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,680
But the only people who need to
be afraid of the Yule cat are

812
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,040
those who haven't been able to
find or make a new outfit for

813
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,200
the celebration.
A new outfit?

814
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,920
Yeah.
OK.

815
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,520
Apparently, the cat wants to
have a No cat wants everyone to

816
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,720
have a new outfit, and since the
Middle Ages, the cat's been

817
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,320
doling out really bizarre
justice.

818
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,800
The In fact, at one point the
punishment was so terrifying it

819
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,600
was employed to intimidate
employees into finishing their

820
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,440
wool harvest faster.
As early as the eight hundreds.

821
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640
That's, I don't know where
that's written down.

822
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,520
But So the yolk had served as a
motivation for the less

823
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,480
fortunate to work harder in
order to guarantee that everyone

824
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,760
had something fresh and warm to
wear for Christmas.

825
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,200
And that way everyone avoided
being devoured by the terrible

826
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,920
feline.
Yeah.

827
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,160
And this said here to terrified
youngsters would be on their

828
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
best behavior, letting the
grown-ups focus on their

829
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
profession or risk the
horrifying repercussions of

830
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,640
everyone being devoured by a
giant.

831
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,960
They did say in the article that
there's some practical

832
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,080
implications of this because the
in the winter the temperatures

833
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,400
can reach as cold as -10°C or
14°F.

834
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,760
It would appear that if the cat
doesn't get you, then the

835
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,200
temperature might.
Right.

836
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,920
And maybe that's why they need a
new outfit.

837
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,680
Maybe they really mean coat or
something, I'm not really sure.

838
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Well.
It sounds like something made of

839
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,920
wool.
Yes, yes.

840
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Which is warm.
One of the things too, is I'm

841
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,400
sure you've heard about elves.
I have.

842
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,240
And elves are on the move in the
United States.

843
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Oh, are they?
They are.

844
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
And did you know that this we're
talking about is Elf on the

845
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,960
Shelf?
It was created by a mother and

846
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,680
her two daughters from a family
tradition, you know, hasn't been

847
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
around for a long time.
I really only remember hearing

848
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,760
about it for the last 10 years
or so.

849
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Have you heard about longer than
that?

850
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Now, the first I heard about it
was, I mean, I don't even know

851
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,200
if it's been in the last 10
years.

852
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,880
I think it might have been a
little bit before that, but

853
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Liberty did it with her kids.
It's funny, actually.

854
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,160
This is a fun story because
Calypso, her oldest, is dyslexic

855
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,960
and so she was having a really
hard time remembering Elf on a

856
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,840
Shelf and she so she kept
calling it Norfdorf.

857
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,240
I remember that.
Actually.

858
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,200
I didn't know why.
Yeah, it.

859
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,200
Was it was just confusing Dwarf
with Elf?

860
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Yeah.
And so and so she couldn't think

861
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,360
of anything that rhymed with
Dwarf.

862
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,280
And so she just, I mean, she was
young, obviously, but she just

863
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,800
decided on North Dwarf.
Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

864
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,200
So their their Christmas
tradition became N dwarf.

865
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,200
That's funny.
Well, the tradition actually

866
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,720
started with this mom and her
daughters in Georgia.

867
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,680
They even did a book called
Scout Elf.

868
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,360
The parents can be assured that
the kids will behave because the

869
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,320
elf and his scouts are always
watching, right?

870
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,960
And if the children don't
behave, the elf will notify

871
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,680
Santa and they will go.
The elves will go to the North

872
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,720
Pole every night to give their
report.

873
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,280
And you can't.
Touch them no and it's it has

874
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,400
there's some serious
repercussions.

875
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,240
I actually saw a real the child
I guess was not behaving and not

876
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:02,840
listening to mom as was
directed.

877
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:09,520
And she came out in the morning
and elf had been, I don't know

878
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,360
if it was still the doll, elf
itself, elf itself, but

879
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,440
something was on a plate all
flattened out and the hat was

880
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,080
all flattened out and it said on
a note next to it, you need to

881
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,800
listen to your mother and behave
better.

882
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,400
And mom said mom said the magic
is gone and the child was

883
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
hysterical.
I mean, the kid was, I just, I

884
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,560
don't agree with that kind of
intimidation, but it was, she

885
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,880
was devastated and can I have
another chance?

886
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,840
Can I do, I don't know some, I
think there are a lot of

887
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,160
traditions that and we have a
few more that we'll cover, but a

888
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
lot of traditions that really,
as I said in the top of this

889
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,000
work to to moderate children's
behavior in the month of

890
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,800
December.
And I know some people turn the

891
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,320
Elf on the Shelf as a longer
event.

892
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,680
Well, if we don't do it starting
in October, if you don't act

893
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,960
right, we're not the elf
probably will never even come

894
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,680
with the elf.
It can be very mischievous and

895
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,400
it waits in a different place
every day because it wants to be

896
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,600
everywhere.
So the kiddos to be caught doing

897
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,520
something naughty.
And apparently there are more

898
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,200
than 15,000,000 scout elves on
the job.

899
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,600
I know it is and they've become
quite creative in their hiding

900
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,800
places.
And I've seen a lot of different

901
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,920
videos about it.
And there was one that I saw the

902
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440
other day that said don't leave
dad in charge because apparently

903
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,520
dad, dad had put the elf on the
chandelier and it had tipped

904
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,600
over and space was burnt to the
chandelier bulb.

905
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,960
And she was saying, I don't know
how I'm going to explain this

906
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,280
one, but it was.
I've seen a lot of really

907
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,800
interesting things.
Some some just go so wild and so

908
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,600
over the top.
I saw one where the elf was in

909
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:04,040
the mixer feeder and blending
around and all kinds of things

910
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,200
hanging from stuff and sometimes
elf has friends doing things

911
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,000
with them, but they always,
they're always stationary in the

912
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,880
morning because that's when
they're sitting watching and

913
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,960
sometimes they have debris
around them.

914
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,800
They have.
I had saw one that had empty

915
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,480
little teeny tiny drink bottles
and it looked like it was passed

916
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,200
out.
And but some of them are some of

917
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,640
them are hilarious and some of
them are still really scary and

918
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,600
inappropriate positions and
things like that.

919
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,680
So I don't know, I'm not sure
how I feel about that.

920
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,280
Well, actually I do.
I don't really care for that

921
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,080
tradition very much.
And then there's one, it's an

922
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Italian tradition.
It's she's called La Befana.

923
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,280
Have you heard of her?
She is a grandmotherly woman who

924
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,480
were meant resembles A kindly
witch.

925
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,640
So back to the witches.
She brings gifts to good little

926
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,000
children.
She puts them in the stockings

927
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,800
that are hung on the hearth and
and sometimes she even tidies up

928
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,760
a little bit before she leaves.
She does come after the children

929
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,720
have gone to bed on the eve of
the Epiphany, the eve of the

930
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:10,120
feast of the Epiphany and it's a
celebration of the visit of the

931
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,960
three kings or Magi to the
newborn Christ in Bethlehem.

932
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,160
They think that her name derives
from Epiphany and Span and

933
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:21,640
Italian, which is if the fauna
and sometimes sometimes people

934
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:28,040
say that she also might be
coming from an Italian folklore

935
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,840
and it's a Christian version of
an earlier Roman goddess,

936
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Sabine.
Her name also was known as

937
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,840
Trinia and Bastarina.
So they think that maybe those

938
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,520
are just sort of names that got
kind of combined.

939
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,720
This thought that the goddess
connection is probably accurate.

940
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,360
She's been transformed through
the ages into the evil figure

941
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,560
with a whole little soft
grandmotherly witch, sort of.

942
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,080
Right, right.
So she does fly on her

943
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,520
broomstick and she delivers the
gifts to the good children.

944
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,480
A coal or a stick to naughty
ones?

945
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,720
Oh man.
I know I.

946
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,640
Guess.
I know it's the moral of all of

947
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,040
these stories.
And in some legends, it says she

948
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
sweeps the floor as a sign of
sweeping away the problems of

949
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,720
the past year.
So that's kind of nice.

950
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,960
I mean, I, I don't mind if
someone's sleeping sweeping away

951
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,920
the problems of the past year.
That sounds pretty good.

952
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,040
There's been a lot, a lot of
different traditions that happen

953
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,800
in different places.
Many, many of them involve

954
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,320
eating right.
Yeah, yeah.

955
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,880
And I think almost every culture
has some sort of special food

956
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,920
that they present at Christmas
time.

957
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,120
And there's the Christmas
puddings in England.

958
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,640
There's a strudel of some sort
that I've heard about too.

959
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,160
I'm not sure what that is, but
do you have the Christmas food

960
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,440
that you specially like?
Ham.

961
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,080
Ham.
Yeah, Christmas ham.

962
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,120
I like anything ginger
gingerbread.

963
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,360
Gingerbread.
I prefer like ginger snaps to.

964
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,400
Ginger.
I like them.

965
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,760
I'm an equal opportunity ginger.
OK, Fair enough.

966
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Fair enough.
I like the snaps as well, the

967
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,280
ones I get from IKEA.
Oh, those are so good.

968
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,040
The cayenne in them, yeah.
Yum Yum Yum.

969
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,200
And also you have to remember
ginger and cayenne are both

970
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,480
healthy.
That's right.

971
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,880
So really, they're just
vitamins.

972
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,080
I mean, I really have to think
that that's got to be true.

973
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Why do you think the January 1st
is whenever makes New Year's

974
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,440
resolutions?
There are just so many different

975
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,040
different things that people
make.

976
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,640
A lot of people make wassel and
or a spice cider and those in

977
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,040
some some people think those are
the same.

978
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,360
They're similar in their spices.
They're the warming spices, but

979
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,840
they're not usually the same.
Some people.

980
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,400
My understanding is that Wassel
is orange based and Cider is

981
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,400
apple based.
Correct, and but Wassel does

982
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,720
have orange, I mean apple in it
as well, but it does have.

983
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,800
Personally, to make mulled wine.
There you go.

984
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,320
That's some good stuff too.
Which is, I'm sure, also a

985
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,280
health food.
Please don't take nutritional.

986
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Please don't take any
nutritional suggestions from our

987
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,360
podcast.
Oh.

988
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,000
For people who don't know, I
just do want to say because this

989
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,400
happened to me before, that's
MULLED wine, not MOLD.

990
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,720
Oh.
The wine is mold, as in goes

991
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:28,720
through a moling.
Oh yeah, 'cause we don't want

992
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:29,440
moldy.
Why?

993
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,920
No, no, no, that's awful.
That would be awful.

994
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,880
I've never had it, but I don't
want to start now.

995
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,560
Well, we do have a lot of people
who do the traditional

996
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,600
fruitcake.
I I don't get it.

997
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,200
I do not get it.
I I have met and spoken in real

998
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,320
life to people who say that they
think fruitcake is delicious.

999
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,840
I think it tastes like, I'm not
even going to say.

1000
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,120
I just think it's foul.
Well, I used to the fruit cake I

1001
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,040
used to have was made with the
citron, the cheapo stuff that

1002
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,160
you can buy anywhere, even like
a discount stores.

1003
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,520
I won't say names.
However, I had a few years ago,

1004
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,400
I had one that was made from the
candied fruit that the person

1005
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,760
had candied and in this rich
amazing.

1006
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,480
Oh my gosh, the best cake ever.
Just a really, it was a really

1007
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:25,320
deep, dense spice kind of cake
with the fruit in it.

1008
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,640
And I can't remember where she
came from, but somewhere

1009
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,520
European and that's how they do
it.

1010
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,800
So I think most of the fruit
cake that we get here is a knock

1011
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,080
off, which is why it tastes like
a knock off.

1012
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:42,560
But that cake was amazing.
And there's a cake that comes

1013
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,000
wrapped in paper.
I'm Pentatonix is the only word

1014
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,400
coming to mind.
Which is not right.

1015
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,280
But do you remember?
This cake, It's an acapella

1016
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,560
group.
Acapella.

1017
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,960
Group Pattonon or Pan Pat, do
you know what it's called?

1018
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Well, it's I believe.
I believe it's an Italian thing.

1019
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,720
I could be wrong, sorry if I am
to all my fellow Marziano name

1020
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:11,360
people, but I really really
liked that as well when I got it

1021
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,200
when I was in Europe.
But when it comes here after

1022
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
it's traveled for a long time,
it's it's not as delicious.

1023
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,280
Interesting.
I think everybody has their

1024
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,200
their traditions.
I love to go to gingerbread

1025
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,600
contest, you know where people
make the gingerbread houses and

1026
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
used to be, I don't know if they
still do it, but in Salt Lake at

1027
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,800
the primary children's
fundraisers, they have festival.

1028
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,640
Trees.
They have the gingerbread

1029
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,000
contest, Yeah.
And some amazing work.

1030
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,400
I just think it's fun to do.
And I like to make it so I can

1031
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,520
actually eat the gingerbread
houses afterwards.

1032
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
And some people set them out for
weeks and months and years.

1033
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,440
I'm like, all right, hey, mine
isn't that pretty.

1034
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
And B I'm going to eat it.
Right.

1035
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,240
Anyway, well, we've reached our
time.

1036
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,600
There are some interesting
things that happened in the

1037
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,840
planetary way Up and Stars and
sky activities.

1038
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,280
So if you're at all interested
in celestial star activities,

1039
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,920
then look that up because the
BBC weather app or weather site

1040
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,120
has some really interesting
planetary things that occur.

1041
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,760
One of the things I'll just
mention a couple of things.

1042
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:20,600
We already in December had a
rare devil lunar Halo and the

1043
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,240
Northern Lights have been active
lately there.

1044
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,720
It looks like at one point if
you're somewhere where you don't

1045
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,400
have a lot of light solution,
which is probably not that many

1046
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,080
of us, but there will be or it
could be up to 120 meters per

1047
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,600
hour.
I know that's that's pretty

1048
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:43,640
intense and at early Christmas
present they say is of the moon

1049
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,080
and Jupiter and they'll be in
close proximity and they can be

1050
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,840
seen on the 7th of December,
which is tonight.

1051
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Yeah, sorry guys, when you hear
this, it'll be over.

1052
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,680
But but it's that's one of the
things that they are they look

1053
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,240
closer together.
They're still really millions of

1054
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,200
miles apart when when the
planets are close.

1055
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,160
There's just some other things
that happen through the winter

1056
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,440
and there's going to be some
PlayStation flybys.

1057
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,520
There's going to be things that
are easy to see with the of the

1058
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,320
naked eye.
So if you're at all interested,

1059
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,720
there'll still be a few more
things at the end of December

1060
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,520
that'll show up.
And it looks like they have a

1061
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,840
lot of information on this
bbc.com weather at it's an app,

1062
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,720
and they also have a website
that show the different kind of

1063
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,520
astrological things that will
happen.

1064
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,320
So I thought that was pretty
fun.

1065
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,200
This topic was slightly off of
our usual stuff, but I thought

1066
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,680
it'd be fun to talk about some
of the Christmas traditions that

1067
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,840
people have over the world.
I love it.

1068
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,840
Yay, talk to you soon.
Merry Christmas.

1069
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Same to you.
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1070
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,960
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1071
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040
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1072
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,880
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1073
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,760
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1074
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,640
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1075
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1076
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1078
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,400
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1079
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,800
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1080
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1081
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,000
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1082
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1084
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1085
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