Born this Way

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Welcome to M4 Medicine, mystery,
mayhem, and sometimes murder.

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I'm Andrea Marciano and RN with
35 years of experience across

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various fields.
From direct patient care in

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hospitals to home health,
geriatrics, and injury medicine,

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I face life, death, and
everything in between.

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And I'm Crystal Miller and RN
with 13 1/2 years of experience.

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My work spans home health,
Hospice, emergency care,

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geriatrics, and occupational
health.

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From the chaos of trauma based
quiet moments with patients,

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I've seen stories that defy
explanations.

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We've been friends for over 25
years and as nurses we've shared

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countless stories that have left
us and our families speechless.

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Now we're bringing those stories
and many more to you in

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medicine, mystery, mayhem, and
sometimes murder.

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Each week, we'll uncover cases
that challenge the boundaries of

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medicine, sharing the human
stories behind the science.

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From puzzling medical mysteries
to shocking real life crimes,

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we'll bring you stories that'll
leave you questioning everything

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you thought you knew while.
We're both experiencing these

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nurses.
We want to make it clear we're

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not here to give medical advice.
This podcast is about

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storytelling, education and
exploration, not diagnosing or

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treating medical conditions.
This is medicine, mystery,

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mayhem and sometimes murder.
Let's dive in.

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Hey Crystal, how are you doing?
I am doing all right.

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I'm a little busy moving myself
back to my own house.

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I can't worry.
We never talked about it in this

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in this podcast, but I had to
have a hip.

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I know we've talked about hip
replacements, but I when I had

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my hip replacement, I was not
going to be able to use stairs.

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And my house has stairs and my
sister's house does not have

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stairs.
So we did a little Swapperoni so

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that I can recover with no
stairs.

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And today is the big day that
we're swapping back.

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So.
That's awesome.

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I did the same thing with mine,
but we have a another house on

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the property that's one level.
So we just came up the driveway

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and it's all furnished and
everything.

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So we came up the driveway and
nice, I got in, I got in bed, I

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was about it.
And I'm actually back in there

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because we're doing a little bit
of remodeling.

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Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, we're good.

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Lately there's been a lot of
activity in the skies that

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people are talking about.
Everything from blue moons to

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what was it that came, What is
the one that just came with the

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blue moon?
There was something else

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associated.
Now I can't even remember.

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Yeah.
Anyway, there's been that and

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then there's been a lot of
asteroids and.

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This year or last year?
But that solar that.

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Solar eclipse, that was this
year, yeah.

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And also around here, and I
don't know if it's the same for

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you, but we see a ton of
satellites at night when we're

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out in the hot tub especially
and it's not cloudy, which in

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the Pacific Northwest is.
Not.

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Very often, but we'll see
satellites.

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And at first I didn't know how
to tell the difference that from

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a satellite versus a plane that
was high or something like that.

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But now that I've seen more of
them, I can tell the difference.

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And we are also in a flight path
at intervals.

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We're in a flight path from the
airport.

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I guess they switched it up from
time to time, or maybe it's

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security.
I'm not sure why, but sometimes

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the flight path comes across us
all the time, other times

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intermittently.
But so I've been thinking about

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the skies a lot lately and
what's going on up there and

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what do you think?
Have you?

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It wasn't Superman.
Said Superman with the blue

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moon.
For what it's worth, I just

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looked it up.
Yeah, Holly and I actually were

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just talking about how
something, I don't know if you

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know, everybody else talks about
Mercury in retrograde,

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retrograde.
And I think that that's often

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the only movement in the skies
that people that don't follow

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astrology may are familiar with,
you know, and it's when

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Mercury's in retrograde, it
tends to cause some toss UPS,

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we'll call them.
And Holly and I were talking

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about we have no idea what has
changed in the skies.

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She knew she'd been told
something had changed and she

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couldn't remember what it was.
But we've noticed that our toss

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up is kind of coming down and
rearranging itself and settling

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down, so that's nice.
And does that look like you

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moving back into your house?
Is that what you mean by toss up

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or what?
Do you mean me moving back into

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my house?
Her job is going better.

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Morgan just offered to do some
renovation to my house in Utah.

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Morgan, your brother.
Nice.

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So yeah, so just.
Things like that.

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Nice.
Yeah.

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And I know that when we were
talking about how things will

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start to open, so basically what
I got out of it is we'll see the

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fruits of our labor, what we've
been working towards, will

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become fulfilled.
That's what I got out of it.

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I don't know if that's what it
meant, but that's what I got.

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That's cool.
We're going to talk today about

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astrology, but I want to just
ask you before we get into it,

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let's talk a little bit.
This isn't going to be our topic

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in general, but just for fun, I
want to talk a little bit about

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our Zodiac signs and what I
mean, what do they mean to us,

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right?
Like what's your Zodiac sign?

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Do you happen to know your
three, your sun, moon and

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rising?
I never can remember.

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I do have a whole big like 25
page report that I got one time,

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but I can never remember.
But I am Scorpio, but I'm on the

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cusp of Libra, the day Libra
ends, I believe on the 23rd of

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October.
My birthday is on the 24th.

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And so of course, I like to take
the best features from both

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because clearly it's only the
best features I've gotten from

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either of those signs.
And that naturally none of the

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negative features apply.
And you can ask anybody who

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spends any time with me that
that's absolutely true.

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And then I'm not stubborn and
I'm not obnoxious and I'm not.

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Yeah.
Anyway, OK, don't ask anyone who

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knows me.
Let's go with my story.

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So I don't know much about it.
I do know that the main thing

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about Scorpio is that we sort of
stick to stuff and tell.

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Either we fight through it or it
falls into place.

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And sometimes it's more the
fighting than the falling.

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But.
That's.

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That's what I know.
Whether any of that's accurate

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or that's just what I've
interpreted, that's I don't

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know.
The question I asked, but I did

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have an oh, I think party.
No, no, you I'm I'm not

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answering the question.
You did answer the question.

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Oh, OK.
Like I thought that was the

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question.
No, no, no, you reminded me when

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I was pregnant with my last
child, it was my seventh child

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and I was so done with being
pregnant and so I was so tired

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of being pregnant And I, I had a
friend do a Reiki treatment, but

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kind of a reading also.
It was late August, mid August,

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I guess it was really mid
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And she said this baby is not
coming out until she's a Virgo.

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Oh, which babe?
Which was like a week after her

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due date and I was like Oh my
God, why especially?

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The last one, that one was
supposed to have crawled out on

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their own, you know.
Right.

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And sure enough, Dave, the day
that the Zodiac turned over to

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Virgo, out she came.
And believe me, she is a Virgo.

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I get that.
I get that.

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Joshua's 100% of Taurus.
Yeah.

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Yeah, so.
What's January?

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Is Juliana your sign as well?
January. 17 yeah.

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I mean, obviously I can't tell
you her her moon or rising

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because I haven't done a birth
chart, but yeah, so I'm a

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Capricorn.
And what's fun is I'm actually

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at Capricorn, Capricorn,
Aquarius.

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So I'm super Capricorn.
I'm the Capricorniest Capricorn.

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Almost.
You're definitely the corniest.

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I'm sure there are probably
people that are Capricorn,

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Capricorn, Capricorn.
But anyways, I think it's really

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fun to be Capricorn in two
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So take for example, Sienna is
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Wait, what is Jules's birthday?
19th, the 17th, 17th.

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OK, yeah, she's.
Anyway, so you can see that

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Sienna and I are not the same
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We don't have the same
personality.

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We have a lot of similarities in
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But it's suppose it's that moon
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kind of differentiate people
that are in the same sign.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I just think it's fun.

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I, I, I followed astrology far
as the Zodiac is concerned for a

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while now and I just, I enjoy
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I don't read my horoscope or
anything.

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I just like it for the for
understanding human beings, for

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the archetype of it all.
I guess I have, like I said, a

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giant file of it.
I have looked at it but it was

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very complicated and I didn't
didn't really keep worrying

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about it.
Yeah, I had a birth chart done.

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I've had them.
I've had one actually hand drawn

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and then I had one done by a
website.

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I did not compare them.
I never bothered to compare them

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and I lost my hand drawn one in
one of my moves.

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I lost it, so Boo.
Anyway, I don't think we could

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talk for an hour about the
Zodiac and astrological signs,

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but that's OK because that's not
actually our topic today.

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Our topic is more about
astrology and prime solving.

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So for those who don't know,
astrology is it's a system of

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divination that uses the stars.
Basically the not even just the

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stars, the stars, the planets,
the is it the universe?

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Or is it like?
The solar system Galaxy.

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I don't know.
I'm sure.

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Sorry y'all.
All that good stuff.

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All that stuff to determine, to
determine things in life like we

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like we were just talking about
where the sun and the moon are

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at your time of birth impacts
your birth.

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As you know, the moon controls
the tide, right?

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So anybody who thinks planets
don't can't have an impact on

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our Earth or our spirit, our
energy, our universe, whatever,

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we have literal physical proof
that it can, right?

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It's wild things like that, like
the moon controlling the tides.

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I don't think that most people
when they think about when they

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think about astrology, think
about crime solving.

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So I thought it would be fun to
to talk about some some

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instances where astrology
intersected with criminal

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investigations.
I.

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Think that's awesome.
And actually I was just

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listening to a podcast where
they were talking about how the

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astrology of this one individual
really gave them some ideas on

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how to profile.
I mean, with, and it was

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actually kind of a reverse
relationship relationship where

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they were profiling and as they
profiled, they started getting

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ideas of when he would have been
born and kind of given the age

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and based on the personality
that showed up in the crimes.

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And I thought that was really
interesting.

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And it makes sense.
I mean, as talked about in other

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episodes where places like ERS
and police calls and things like

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that, EMS calls are much busier
during full moons.

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And there will be people that
argue that, but there's not a

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single person I know that's an
EMS professor that does not

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believe that 100%.
And some people say, well, you

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believe it, so it's true.
You can make it proof.

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Well, the numbers show that
more.

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Babies.
Empirical evidence.

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Yeah, there's more babies.
Born during big storms and

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there's got to be astrological
events related to those I would

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imagine.
So I'm really interested to see

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what you come up with.
First person I want to talk

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about is a renowned astrologer
and a cultist, John Dee and John

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Dee served as a consultant to
Queen Elizabeth the 1st and that

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is not the Queen Elizabeth that
just died.

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It made Charles king much she's
she's from the Renaissance.

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He was one of her.
He was her consultant.

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I already said that.
And while much of his work was

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just advising on matters of
state and using astrology, by

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the way, to advise on matters of
state to use the astrology and a

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lot of his advising to the I
feel like my my words are coming

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out weird.
Do I sound weird?

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You sound regular.
OK.

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OK, good.
I don't want to say normal, I

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think regulars more descriptive,
but no thanks, I'm fine.

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So he you may be going to
explain this, but when you say

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he uses astrology, what does
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Is that something that's going
to come up or is that should I

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just know what that means?
Well, I'm going to give you some

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examples.
OK.

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Yeah.
So he would.

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So there are accounts, though,
of his involvement in more

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secretive, mystical practices
that included criminal

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investigations he was believed
to use.

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Yeah.
He was believed to use astrology

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and scrying.
And in his case, it was gazing

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into a crystal ball or a mirror.
And for people who don't know

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what scrying is, I realized you
might not all be witches.

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Witches, yeah, we're fans of the
show with the far sisters.

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I can.
I think of what it's all.

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Oh yeah, right, I know what
you're talking.

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About I'm such a fan.
Yeah, my favorite show.

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What?
Supernatural or something I

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guess.
Supernatural is the men anyway.

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Crying is a way is using an
instrument that can be many

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things.
Could be a pendulum.

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It can be a crystal on a string.
It can be a rock on a string.

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Isn't it runes as well?
It could be runes it yeah, it's

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it.
There's a lot of ways to scry,

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but in his case he used a
crystal ball or a mirror to

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uncover secrets and solve
mysteries for Queen, making him

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a precursor to the concept of a
psychic detective.

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Really.
I never knew that.

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So like I said, he was, he was
a, he was a, he was a, he was an

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English mathematician,
astronomer, astrologer, and a

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cultist.
He's best known for his mystical

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practices and his attempts to to
communicate with angels.

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But again, there are aspects of
his life that touch on secrecy

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and criminal criminal
investigations.

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So.
So when he was, when you say

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criminal investigations, it's
like who came in and stole the

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butter from the kitchen or what
kind of things do you look into?

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Do you know he?
Mostly did criminal

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investigation centered around
his belief he could communicate

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with angels, which he did again
with the use of scrying mirror.

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But as far as the astrology
goes, he often would do things

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like, because he would use it
for, he would use it, he'd use

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astronomy to assist with finding
spies and to and to counter

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foreign threats.
But it doesn't actually say how

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he did that.
What it does say more

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specifically, is he would use
astrology in the context on the

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in the context of political
intrigue and criminal

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investigations by determining
auspicious times for actions or

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to interpret omens related to a
political or criminal event.

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Was he right?
There's no concrete evidence

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that he was right.
It's all just was it called?

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What are passed down stories
called tables?

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Tables.
Yeah.

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I was thinking more like myths.
Not myths, though.

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But like, I mean, it's
anecdotal.

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That's not what I'm looking for
but but.

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Yeah, I mean, he said that he
did it and people didn't

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basically couldn't prove or
disprove that he did so, OK.

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Yeah, exactly.
Maybe it worked, maybe it

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didn't, but he is known that you
know, it's accepted that he did

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use astrology, astronomy to both
advise the Queen as her personal

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advisor and to help find spies
and find auspicious times and

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determine inauspicious it.
Almost sounds like he's one of

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the first profilers.
Yeah, that's, I mean, yeah, it

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really does.
It sounds like.

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And maybe, you know, who knows?
You think about the the show

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site, right?
The guy is just really

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observant, right?
He's not sure necessarily

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profiling.
I mean, you could kind of say,

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OK, but that that's neither here
nor there.

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It sounds like it might have
been more of that of being very

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observant.
It couldn't be that he was

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communicating with angels.
I mean, we all believe, I mean,

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you and I, I guess we both
believe that we could

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communicate with angels or
really spirits, right.

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And yeah, it would, it would
have been awesome.

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I didn't see this.
He actually, he actually

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believed he knew the language of
the angels, which is called

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Enochian, I think.
And he actually kept a journal.

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He carried a journal where he
wrote down what he'd uncovered,

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talking to the angels in their
own language and the secrets of

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the universe that believed he
had found.

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Yeah, it was.
He was very secret about it.

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And so not a lot of people were
aware of that practice.

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But interesting I mean.
Yeah, well, so can you tell me

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more about what it was?
So did he.

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The Queen had her Natal chart,
whatever depth they went into

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for that.
So was he be able to say, OK,

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your Natal chart says that on
May 4th at 6:00 PM, it's a

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really great time to do XY and Z
versus it's not a great time to

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do XY and ZI?
Don't know if he used her Natal

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chart.
I think he could have that could

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have been it.
It could have been a piece of

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it, But I think he, well, that's
tricky because it may have just

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been, I think that he may have
also done, you wouldn't call it

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a Natal chart in a sense, but I
think he he would do charts of

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well, actually I have another, I
have another person that I have

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more information on that I can
give you more details on.

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So let's actually wait for him
if you don't mind, because

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because John D was so in secret
and so, you know, lots and lots

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of rumors and hush hush, but
nothing really concrete as far

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as if what he did worked, you
know, and nothing really about

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how he did it other than he he
was just astronomy, astrology

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and crying so.
Yeah, that's interesting.

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And I just wonder what people
thought of it back in the day.

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And, and maybe that's very
controversial.

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Well, maybe that's why he used
the secrecy, because he maybe he

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was afraid of being lynched or
whatever.

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Tard and Feather, whatever
people used to do at that time

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frame.
Sure, 'cause every every

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civilization had concerns about
things they didn't understand

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and still to this day.
Still, Yeah, of course.

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So the next person that we're
going to talk about was born in

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the 1600s.
So I'm remembering how centuries

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go.
That's the 17th century.

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Right, that's the way I get it
too.

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And he had a very interesting
way of using it.

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He didn't do horoscopes for
famous figures.

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One of his most famous was for
the king of England, Edward the

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6th.
And he predicted that Edward the

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6th would have a short life.
And it was later confirmed when

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the king died at the age 50.
So he made several predictions

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based on astrology that were
documented in his writings.

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For example, he predicted the
death of Pope Clement the 7th,

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which occurred in 1534, shortly
after Cardano had foretold it.

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He.
Wrote a book, book of my life.

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It's actually an Italian book
because he's Italian, De Vita

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propia libert, I think, sorry if
I'm switching that.

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And that's how that actually
gives the history of how

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astrological influences affected
his life and his decisions.

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And he often attributed
significant events in his life

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to the planets of the stars, the
movement of the planets of the

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stars, right?
He wrote extensively on

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astrology, wrote a lot about the
tech, the technical aspects,

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including the the calculation of
the planetary positions and the

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interpretation of astrological
charts.

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Do you know when astrology
really became an understood or a

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known topic at all?
You know, I didn't, I can, I can

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look it up.
I didn't look that up just

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because I didn't want to.
I'll be honest, I didn't want to

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take that topic away from
somebody else that's an expert.

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You know what I mean?
Right, right.

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But let me just I don't look it
up while you keep going.

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OK, the thing that that makes
oh, did I say his name ever?

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I don't.
Think.

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His name is.
I'm a Cardano, and again, I

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might be pronouncing that wrong.
I do not speak.

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I think you probably are, but
that sounds close.

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Someone named Marziano, that
sounds a little bit not.

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I don't see it, but I do
appreciate the attempt.

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I just as a note, wanted to
mention that astrology

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originated in a message.
I can't see this around the

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third Millennium BCE.
What?

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We didn't say was Mesopotamia.
That's right.

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I did not say that.
The earliest evidence for

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astrology among western Eurasian
people dates from the third

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millennial BCE.
That's interesting.

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And it was introduced to the
Greeks early in the 4th century

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through studies of Plato,
Aristotle, and others.

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Astrology came to be highly
regarded as science and then

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later spread around the world.
So third millennial BCE.

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Interesting.
That's been a while.

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Cause astronomy became science
or astrology became science.

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Astrology.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Well, and the thing to me about
all of this, I can look up

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astronomy.
Astronomy too.

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We, we have spoken this language
for a very long time, although

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it doesn't feel like it today.
One of the things that when I

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look up in the sky, I just see
lights and Max will tell me this

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is that constellation and this
is that constellation.

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But now it's over here.
I'm like, dude, I can't even

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remember where.
It's when the first time you

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showed me.
Now when it moves, how am I

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supposed to know?
I'm one of those, yeah, I'm one

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of those people that can find
the North Star, the Big Dipper

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and a Little Dipper.
Exactly.

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I know me too.
And I don't care how many times

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people have told me what's what
and why is you care.

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I just cannot.
And it's not that I don't think

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the skies are beautiful and it's
not that I don't think it

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relates to me and I'm not.
I mean, I get it, but I just

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don't.
I can't see it like I can some

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other things, which is funny
because a lot of what I feel and

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believe in relates, I think, and
it's just funny that I see, oh,

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that's pretty.
And and that's pretty much as

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far as I go with that.
So anyway, pardon me, carry on.

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No worries, I'm just going to
call him Cardano.

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Jeez Louise.
Cardano used charts almost

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exclusively to predict things.
He one well known instance he

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predicted the death of his own
son who was implicated in a

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poisoning case, and his
calculate his astrological

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calculations led him to predict
his son's execution.

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God, we really have spoken this
language our whole lives.

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His son's execution date which
came true.

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And so it cemented for for
Cardano, it cemented his belief

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in his own power and the power
of astrology to uncover hidden

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truths, even even truths that he
desperately wish were true.

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Right.
Nobody.

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Yeah, I was going to say I don't
want to.

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I don't want that one.
Yeah, right.

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Oh, by the way, you have 12
minutes to live Go.

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Yeah, right.
Right, another reference that

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this isn't.
Well, it is a person.

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It's a person we don't know.
I'm sure that most of our

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listeners, if not all, are very
familiar with the infamous

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serial killer the Zodi called
the Zodiac Killer, right?

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I do, yes.
Zodiac Killer was active in the

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late 60s and early 70s, and
while astrology didn't solve the

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case, it played a prominent role
in the killer's taunting of the

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police and the public right.
His letters.

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He wrote letters to the police,
and those letters included

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cryptic references to
astrological signs and symbols

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that sounded stupid.
No, it didn't.

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And also, I know that I've read
several things and heard several

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things about this podcast and
such about the Zodiac Killer.

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And that's what made them
finally be able to put it

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together is they were able to
then say, OK, well the next

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Zodiac sign is this.
And they were able to locate

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them because they put some
things together that the sign

450
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,080
meant this and the location
would be here because he was

451
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440
building, If I remember
correctly, he was building the

452
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,360
series of trails involving the
Zodiac signs.

453
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,200
He was.
Yeah, he was using the Zodiac

454
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,800
signs and he was putting cryptic
references into those taunting

455
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,160
letters, references to the
Zodiac, sorry, to the Zodiac

456
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080
sign, the symbols.
And he gave himself his

457
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,480
pseudonym, the Zodiac Killer,
which is of course drawn from

458
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520
astrology.
Astrology.

459
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,640
His letters are so cryptic that
they still a lot of them have

460
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,280
been decoded, but none of them
that have been decoded so far

461
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760
have led to identifying the
Zodiac Killer.

462
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,880
For what it's worth, sometimes
another another way that

463
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,160
astrologers or people who dabble
in astrology, I guess sometimes

464
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,840
they might approach a crime by
casting a horoscope chart based

465
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,000
on the time and location of the
crime itself.

466
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,120
It's a technique that's similar
to creating a birth chart,

467
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:47,000
except it's you know about where
the crime occurred instead of

468
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,400
where somebody was born.
And then what does that do?

469
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:55,760
Well, it's called horror horary
HORARY horary astrology.

470
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,320
And that's where an astrologer
answers a question by kissing a

471
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,640
chart the exact moment the
question is asked.

472
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,280
And this has been used to answer
pressing questions like where is

473
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,360
the missing person or who is the
thief?

474
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,240
There was a famous English
astrologer named William Lilly

475
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,080
and he he had a few instances
where he was involved in, I'm

476
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,200
going to do this air quotes
mystical investigations because

477
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,280
some people that I'm going to
give you an example.

478
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,320
So he had some successes and he
had he had a lot of successes,

479
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,360
but I'll explain it.
I'm so sorry.

480
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,360
OK, that works for me.
So one of the most one of the

481
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:42,680
most intriguing cases about
Lily, Lily's involvement in a

482
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,000
form of a mystical investigation
relates to the Great Fire of

483
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,680
London in 1666.
Lily was accused of having

484
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,640
predicted accused.
That's funny.

485
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,520
Yeah.
Lily was accused of having

486
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,400
predicted the fire in a woodcut
included in his 1651 Almanac.

487
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,400
The image depicted London
flames, which led some to to

488
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,160
suspect that he had
foreknowledge of the disaster or

489
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,600
he had a hand in it.
Yeah, that makes sense.

490
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280
I would I would not be surprised
by people thinking that.

491
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,120
Yeah, so he that accusation
brought him before a committee

492
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,640
of Parliament to explain
himself.

493
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,640
Lily defended himself by
explaining that his prediction

494
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,520
was purely astrological, based
on the planetary positions of

495
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,920
the time, and not derived from
any any criminal knowledge or

496
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,160
action.
Despite the severity of the

497
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,880
accusations, no evidence of
criminal intent was ever found,

498
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600
and Lily was not charged with
any crime.

499
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,600
That's good.
So yeah.

500
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,880
Exactly is also reputed to have
solved theft cases using horror

501
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,120
astrology.
He would be asked to cast a

502
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,000
chart at the moment of theft was
discovered and his

503
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,480
interpretations often pointed to
the direction or description of

504
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,920
the thief, sometimes with
startling accuracy.

505
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,440
There was actually a person that
was a noble person probably

506
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,240
because they had servants that
something was stolen and I can't

507
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,640
remember if it told me what the
something was or not.

508
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,480
So something was stolen and his
friend came to him and said you

509
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,640
know that I had this thing
stolen, you know, can you tell

510
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
me who stole it?
Casting a chart or creating a

511
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,000
chart for the moment that his
friend asked him, he came to the

512
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,640
conclusion that it was a servant
and in searching servants

513
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840
quarters.
So they did find it in service

514
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,360
quarters.
So that's, you know, that's

515
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:35,920
considered by many a successful
use of astrology in solving a

516
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,800
crime 'cause, you know, kind of
putting that London thing in

517
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,080
the, the, in the Almanac.
That's not, that's, that's a

518
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,880
prediction.
That's not necessarily solving a

519
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,520
crime.
It'd be really cool if he had

520
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,200
put like London on fire and then
a really distinct person, like,

521
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,360
you know, with a curly mustache
and a wart on his head and

522
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:59,320
that's do it right.
Like that'd be cool.

523
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,840
But I think that I really think
that it's just coincidence or I

524
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,000
don't, I don't think that.
I think it could just be

525
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,080
coincidence.
My apologies.

526
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,360
I don't, I don't, I don't.
I'm not denying that it's real.

527
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,800
I sometimes don't watch my
language right like another.

528
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,640
Another technique, sorry,
involves analyzing the birth

529
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,040
charts of suspects or victims.
Astrologers might look at

530
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,200
specific planetary transits,
meeting movements of planets at

531
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800
the time of the crime that could
indicate motives or potential

532
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,920
behaviors.
For example, an astrologer might

533
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
examine whether Mars, the planet
associated with aggression and

534
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720
violence, was particularly
prominent in the suspect's chart

535
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600
at the time of the crime,
suggesting a potential leak.

536
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,360
So this goes back to what you
were saying, that they do

537
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,360
actually take the birth chart.
And well, I don't even know

538
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,680
That's, I don't know.
I'm not an astrologist.

539
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,160
I'm not an astrologer.
I'm whatever.

540
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,040
I'm not an astrologer.
I mean, I'm also not an

541
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,440
astrologer.
And we don't even play any on

542
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,400
TVI always think that's funny.
Well, So what this sounds like.

543
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Somehow they're using the birth
chart, but they're using somehow

544
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,320
they're using the birth chart as
the chart at the time of the

545
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,760
crime.
It sounds like yeah.

546
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,720
I almost wonder if they take the
date and time of the crime and

547
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,400
then take it backwards and see
who it who it brings up.

548
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,440
And what makes me wonder about
whether they have more of a

549
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,400
certain moon or rising or
however it's called that does

550
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,840
lead towards aggression versus
passivity or something.

551
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,720
And I also wonder when they have
the victim and they know the

552
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,040
victim, does it say in their
chart that on August 12th at

553
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280
4:00 PM they're going to have XY
and Z happen?

554
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,680
I that's a great question.
I don't know.

555
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Odyssey is my daughter and she
had a theory.

556
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,320
What were you saying about how
they use their birth tricks?

557
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,560
Can they use the horoscope on
the day of the murder?

558
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,120
It's kind of just because you
know, how people use their

559
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160
horoscope to kind of predict how
they're going to feel that day,

560
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520
how their day's going to go.
So it can kind of give some

561
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,720
insight on to what was happening
astrologically the day that they

562
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320
committed their crime.
Oh, so basically what she's

563
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,120
saying is that if I know that
John Smith committed the crime

564
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,800
and I look at his horoscope, it
will then say that he was going

565
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,720
to commit that crime.
That's what it sounds like,

566
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080
yeah.
Yeah, that's yeah.

567
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,280
So it sounds like so.
And I'm sure you know, when you

568
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,000
think about horoscope that is in
the paper or that is in the

569
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,400
magazine or that, you know an
app or whatever, those are

570
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
typically not.
They're for entertainment

571
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,920
purposes.
They're for entertainment

572
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840
purposes, yes.
So there's probably not a lot of

573
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,600
actual astrology, math and
mapping and you know, the, the

574
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,120
deep dive into it.
And I, I suspect that when we're

575
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,440
talking about these, these older
folks, older meaning other

576
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,800
centers, other, other times,
other eras, I suspect that they,

577
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,480
they would do all of that deeper
work because, you know, they're

578
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,280
trying to solve a crime.
They're trying to prove

579
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,320
something.
That would be my guess.

580
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480
And to everybody that's
listening to us, if you think

581
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,640
we're morons, sorry.
We try not.

582
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,320
We try not to be, but we're
definitely not experts on this.

583
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,360
There have been some
contemporary applications of

584
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,520
astrology in crime solving.
While astrology isn't officially

585
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,520
recognized in law enforcement,
some private investigators and

586
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
amateur excluse will still
consult astrologers for

587
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,040
guidance. 1 notable recent
antidote involves Carolyn Meese,

588
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080
a medical intuitive and Mystic
who has occasionally used

589
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200
astrological insight in her
consultations.

590
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,640
While not directly involved in
criminal investigations, Meets

591
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,320
has spoken about how astrology
can provide psychological

592
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,440
insights that might be useful in
understanding the motives behind

593
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040
criminal behavior.
So she doesn't claim to crimes

594
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,080
to solve crimes.
Her work illustrates how

595
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,920
astrological perspectives may
still play a role in

596
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
understanding complex human
behaviors.

597
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,440
And that's interesting because
that actually goes kind of back

598
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,280
to what Odyssey was saying about
using their horoscope and even

599
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480
probably their birth charts.
So I think your birth chart does

600
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,760
tell to say a lot about your
inclinations.

601
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Probably obviously there's,
there's impacts that happen in

602
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,000
life, you know, like head
injuries and stuff like that.

603
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
But I, I do think that you
probably can tell a lot about a

604
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,880
person by reading their birth
chart and by knowing what it

605
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,240
says.
You know, the birth chart is

606
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,840
very, very technical.
I don't know what all of it

607
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200
means.
You know, I'd have to have it

608
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,760
explained to me by an
astrologer.

609
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,080
But I think that that's probably
relevant.

610
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,080
And then again, you can look for
potentially you can look for

611
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,800
what, where the planets were,
right, that sort of thing to

612
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040
determine their state of mind
maybe, right.

613
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Like why did this person do this
votive.

614
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,320
That's the word I'm looking for.
Motive.

615
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Yeah.
Well, So what I wonder is if

616
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,600
that's the case, does that mean
that this person has to walk

617
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,520
that path or how did they shift
it?

618
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,560
I mean, does if a person has
those propensities, can they

619
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
work themselves out of it
somehow?

620
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Well.
I think, I think yes.

621
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,160
And I think that's part of the
value of getting a birth chart

622
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360
and having it explained to you.
It's you just get a birth chart

623
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,040
and nobody tells you what it is.
That's the I mean, I don't think

624
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,200
that's helpful.
No, that's what I have.

625
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,600
Yeah.
And so I think, I think getting

626
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,520
your birth chart, having it
explained to you and seeing what

627
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,720
inclinations you have or
propensities you have and seeing

628
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,920
what I don't want to say path
because that feels too rigid,

629
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,560
which is why I like to say
inclinations, but that just to

630
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,080
see, to understand more about
yourself.

631
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,760
I think you can then if there
are things that are distasteful

632
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,160
to you, you can then choose to
work on them and reverse them

633
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160
or, you know, redirect them,
that sort of thing.

634
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,000
I I believe that I can't, can't
prove it.

635
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,920
And I don't even know if an
astrologer would agree with me.

636
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Yeah.
But that's kind of what I think

637
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,239
about it.
Right, that makes sense.

638
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,199
And again, I mean, I want to
make it very clear, I'm not an

639
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,760
expert in astrology.
I'm not intending to explain

640
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,960
astrology.
It's like there's a reason that

641
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,920
this topic is astrology and
crime and not what is astrology,

642
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,080
right?
So there's also a story of a

643
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,360
woman named Nancy Bradley.
She's a modern day psychic and

644
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,159
astrologer who claims to have
assisted in finding missing

645
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,320
persons by using astrology and
other psychic abilities.

646
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480
In one case, she used the birth
chart of a missing person to

647
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,800
predict their location, which
she claimed led to their

648
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,480
discovery.
There isn't any hard proof of

649
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,800
this, it's just a claim that
she's made.

650
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,400
So while sorry.
So obviously a lot of these

651
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,360
stories are going to be met with
skepticism, especially when it's

652
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,280
just a claim that, you know, you
can't show any evidence for.

653
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,160
But then you also keep the
conversation about astrology

654
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,240
potential alive, and that's a
good thing.

655
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,160
Yeah.
Let's talk a little bit about

656
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,280
skepticism because this topic
would not be complete without

657
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,320
addressing the significant
skepticism surrounding

658
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,680
astrology, particularly in the
context of crime solving.

659
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,760
The lack of empirical evidence.
Empirical evidence, that's what

660
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,400
I was looking for the other
while ago.

661
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,360
The lack of empirical evidence
supporting astrology's

662
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,080
effectiveness in investigations
leads many to dismiss it as

663
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,040
pseudoscience.
Critics often point to

664
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,480
confirmation bias, which is
where people tend to remember

665
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,440
the times appears to work and
forget the many times it

666
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,680
doesn't.
Right.

667
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,080
And I mean confirmation bias on
a whole is only remembering the

668
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,800
things that prove your point.
Yes, exactly.

669
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,400
On the other hand, present
arguments from astrologers

670
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,600
maintain that astrology, while
not a science, can still offer

671
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,560
valuable insights.
They might argue that

672
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,640
astrology's real power lies in
its ability to prompt new lines

673
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
of questioning or uncover
psychological patterns that

674
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,000
might otherwise be overlooked.
So is this, does this mean

675
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
that's a sort of a targeted
questioning potential or

676
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,640
something?
I think, I think yes, I think

677
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,320
that that's what what I got from
that.

678
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,240
Let's say you're, you have a
suspect, you've interrogated

679
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,560
them and you're not getting
anywhere.

680
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,600
I think that maybe having a
chart read or an astrological

681
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680
psychological evaluation done or
whatever you want to call it,

682
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,200
but potentially provide an
interrogator with other things

683
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,600
to ask or other ways to ask it.
I I I believe so, yeah.

684
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,600
I mean, it's like looking at
with the astrological signs, it

685
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
talks about what our
personalities are and how to

686
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,600
approach us.
You know, some people will do

687
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,840
better with a straightforward
direct approach where other

688
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,120
people will need a little bit of
soft toe around soft toe, soft

689
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160
to soft something around their
questioning.

690
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,160
And if I'm using the wrong
approach, then it could delay

691
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,000
answers.
And if I can look into the

692
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,240
correct approach or what maybe
the correct approach, then I can

693
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,400
see that people will go a little
a little better.

694
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
I know there's times where it
with one of my kids that if I

695
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,000
push too hard, they would
absolutely positively say no

696
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,640
way.
I won't talk about it or don't

697
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,680
do anything.
And then if I was less direct

698
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,160
and softer than I got the
answers I was looking for.

699
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Right, definitely.
You know, sometimes you have to

700
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,120
trick people into answering
questions or that's true.

701
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,840
And so that might just be
another thing that I don't know.

702
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,520
I just.
I believe it could.

703
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,280
Yeah, that makes sense.
So I would like to put out to

704
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160
our listeners, you know, do you
believe that astrology could

705
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,080
play a legitimate role in
solving crimes?

706
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,280
Send us an e-mail, let us know
what you think.

707
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Do you have anything else you
want to say about this?

708
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,680
Well, no, I just find it really
interesting that there are so

709
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,160
many different ways to look at
personalities and how they

710
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,040
affect things.
And well, I think that we have a

711
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,800
great ability to change our
trajectory.

712
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,360
I think there are some things
that we all get to work on.

713
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,840
I mean, there's going to be as a
Scorpio, there's a high level of

714
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,160
stubbornness and independence
and.

715
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
And malice is also associated
with Scorpio.

716
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,560
I prefer not to listen to that
and confirmation bias.

717
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Exactly.
And it's true.

718
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,760
And those are things that maybe
I know about myself that I get

719
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080
to work on.
Also, one of the things about

720
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,920
being a Scorpio is that I tend
to have great observation skills

721
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,800
and I'll notice some of the
smallest details.

722
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
And that actually has been a
challenge in my life because

723
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,920
there's times where I've noticed
details and people are like, why

724
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,080
are you even thinking about
that?

725
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,160
What's your deal?
And it's like, well, I can't

726
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,200
help it.
It's just, it is what it is.

727
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,280
I was on AI was running with an
ambulance crew once time and I

728
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,680
was on a call and I saw
something that actually helped

729
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,960
the situation with the person
who was in the ambulance.

730
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,320
I had seen it was a simple
thing.

731
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
I'd seen the Snickers bar beside
the side of the bed.

732
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
They were having issues, but at
first we weren't sure what they

733
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,240
were.
And I asked, I saw that and I

734
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,400
said, wait, are you diabetic?
Because they hadn't said

735
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
anything when we asked what
their history is.

736
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
How's your health web?
Oh, you're fine.

737
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,160
Everything's fine.
No, it's not.

738
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,000
And so when I had seen that, it
caused me to ask about their the

739
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,520
candy.
Who's what candy is that?

740
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Who's was that yours?
Have you just eaten it?

741
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Have you been drinking?
Because those two things change

742
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,440
blood sugars immensely.
And the other and the other

743
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640
people on the call hadn't
noticed the candy.

744
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,680
It didn't ask about it.
They just assumed that the

745
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,880
person saying everything was
fine with their health was what

746
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,400
was fine with their health.
And now every single call that

747
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600
I'm aware of with the ambulance,
they checked blood sugar.

748
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,760
They didn't used to.
This was back in the dark ages

749
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,520
and we relied more on personal
reporting than observation and

750
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,320
clinical testing.
And so it made a big difference.

751
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,320
You mean did it save your lives?
I don't know, but it got us to

752
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,840
the answer faster because I
noticed a detail that I, I, that

753
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,840
other people just simply hadn't
seen.

754
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,960
And like I said, there's been
times that people have been

755
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,000
critical of me for noticing
details when I brought it up and

756
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,480
saying hi.
I wonder why that is.

757
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
They're like, it doesn't matter.
Well, does to me.

758
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,400
And and when we know that we
have propensities or certain

759
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,800
sort of inclinations, as you
say, we could know what we want

760
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,560
to address and how to.
To deal with it versus just

761
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,320
walking along without
considering any other

762
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,840
possibilities or ways things
might affect us.

763
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,680
If we have our say, we have our
Natal chart.

764
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,040
And I mean, I'm asking you
because you're the one I'm

765
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,480
talking to.
I don't know if you know the

766
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520
answer to this, but if I have my
Natal chart and I know that I

767
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,960
have certain type of propensity,
are there times in the the year

768
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,040
or moon cycles or anything that
I'm affected more?

769
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,040
I noticed that mine said I'm
born on the new moon.

770
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Yeah, that's where all of that
other, I mean you've got a ton

771
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,120
of houses and that is actually,
I think I'm not an expert, but

772
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,520
that actually is what would give
you that kind of insight.

773
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160
And and I think it's not like
April 4th, 1994 is going to

774
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,840
impact impact you.
I think it's like when the stars

775
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,280
are stars in the planets are
aligned in this way, that's how

776
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,440
it's going to affect you.
And then you could find probably

777
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520
through science through through
actually I'm saying astronomy on

778
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,720
purpose this time.
You could find through

779
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
astronomy, which I'm saying on
purpose this time, the day that

780
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,520
that alignment will come to.
Be or maybe I just know on 1/4

781
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,720
moon, that's the time where I
get to rest and rejuvenate

782
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
instead of trying to push a
project through or something

783
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,200
like that, that I'll just run
into problems and or even I

784
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,320
think it even can apply to.
I tend to stay up later and I'm

785
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,280
productive, really productive.
A lot of times between 3:00 and

786
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:53,760
6:00 PM, more than my times are
usually like 9:00 to 11:00 and

787
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,880
then 3:00 to 6:00 PM.
And in the meantime, it's not

788
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,680
like I said around staring at
the wall usually.

789
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600
But I do notice those are times
of productivity for me.

790
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,360
And I really wonder if my Natal
chart chart would have anything

791
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,520
about that kind of thing in it.
But it's been so long since I've

792
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,920
read it, I don't.
I don't know.

793
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,000
I don't know either.
Interesting.

794
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,920
OK.
That's what I had as a question

795
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,720
for that.
And I think that what I'm going

796
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,520
to do is I'm going to look at
all the people I know, figure

797
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,800
out their signs and decide if I
still want to spend time with

798
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,600
them.
Because it could be that on the

799
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Thursday the 12th of October,
they're going to kill me.

800
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,280
And that could be bad.
That could be bad.

801
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Yeah, I agree.
That's.

802
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,940
Bad.
I mean I could be our ghost Co

803
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:35,440
host.
Thank you.

804
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,800
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805
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
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